I think it's time we all had a talk.

[Ganymede]

How about before you all succumb to the rumours people are spreading about a singular person, figure them out for yourselves. The mob mentality of "Someone said they're bad so they must be." is really obvious here. I could sit here and say "Oh yeah don't trust @(you need an account to see links), she's evil" and you'd all probably believe me. (she's not evil btw that was an example she is a massive babe) Join NN and figure Josh out for yourself. Don't be sheep.

I don't think it's unreasonable to advise people on a cheating website to be cautious around someone known to actively track down and out cheaters to tnt.

[♥ Harvest Goddess ♥]

How about before you all succumb to the rumours people are spreading about a singular person, figure them out for yourselves. The mob mentality of "Someone said they're bad so they must be." is really obvious here. I could sit here and say "Oh yeah don't trust @(you need an account to see links), she's evil" and you'd all probably believe me. (she's not evil btw that was an example she is a massive babe) Join NN and figure Josh out for yourself. Don't be sheep.

Most of the people who have warned others to stay away from Jawsch (Josh have also showed screenshots or posted proof on why he�s an asshole.) it�s less of a mob mentality and more of a �hey some of us cheat and are trying to look out for people who could compromise that�

[Hawaiian]

Sorry to anyone who has been affected by the changes and lost their accounts.

If anyone who got frozen doesn't mind letting us know if they were using certain proxies/VPNs that would be awesome so that we can try to figure out what to avoid for now. (like that TOR post earlier) If you don't want to make that information public don't forget to post as a spoiler.

[Appletun]

Sorry to anyone who has been affected by the changes and lost their accounts.

If anyone who got frozen doesn't mind letting us know if they were using certain proxies/VPNs that would be awesome so that we can try to figure out what to avoid for now. (like that TOR post earlier) If you don't want to make that information public don't forget to post as a spoiler.

this would be super helpful, i was browsing VPNs today and don't wanna end up buying one for it to be useless. how would they even log these? just sit in front of their screen and wait for a bunch of people to go on a single IP and be like "yep VPN let's just obliterate this guy"?

[Hawaiian]

this would be super helpful, i was browsing VPNs today and don't wanna end up buying one for it to be useless. how would they even log these? just sit in front of their screen and wait for a bunch of people to go on a single IP and be like "yep VPN let's just obliterate this guy"?

Yeah it seems a bit odd to me because I'd think that a lot of non-cheating users must also use VPNs. Only thing that I can think would be they have the VPNs themselves and are able to record the IPs or they just track the IPs back to the servers of VPNs and outright freeze the users logging through those IPs. It seems like there would be a lot of innocent casualties with this method such as freezing all users on TOR. Maybe people here who are more technical or were frozen using proxies/VPNs can clarify for us.

[I_royalty_I]

If you�re using a free vpn service you have to think about how many other people use the same free service. The amount of people who use TOR is staggering. You have to think about who else is using it to break into accounts. If it�s easy, and free, you have to assume others are using it. You don�t know what they are doing while logged onto those IP addresses, so to be safe, don�t follow the crowd

Do your own due diligence and find the solution that works best for you

[j03]

I think they've caught on to VPN technology and are actually flagging multiple accounts logging into the same IP now so they can see who's using TOR/VPN services like HMA which provide the same servers to all customers.

Moving forward, it'll be better to invest your time into buying a proxy (IP) from a reliable company and using that IP for one account.

[Nath]

Got to agree with @(you need an account to see links)...even the more expensive and higher end VPNs could be being used by multiple people for Neo/cheating and with no way of knowing it's a risk. Just because we're using a paid VPN service doesn't mean we're safe, the next guy/girl out there could have been raiding actives with that exact same IP a few hours prior.

[Hawaiian]

Yeah it makes sense and I think some of us already knew that others were using the same service but do you guys think they are freezing all users of these services assuming that all the accounts are cheaters? (disregarding any non-cheaters that use these services as well?)
@(you need an account to see links) Also I've always used free proxies in the past before I swapped to paid VPN services so I'm not sure how the paid proxies work. Do they only give you the IP when you pay for the proxy or do they share it with multiple users. (sorry if it's easy to research just figured I'd ask instead.)

[Cybun]

Wrong thread, it's early I'm soz.
But while I'm at it.

While I'm not one to actively bash Jawsch, for the things I've heard about him I'm not willing to go and figure out for myself if it's true or not, possibly getting on his bad side because I'm hella bad with people and likely getting my beautiful bun ass frozen, thanks.