NC UCs coming in 2024!

[Maki]

Yup thats exactly what i'm saying.

I gotchu!! I admit maybe I didn't fully understand the maths when I read your post, but I knew something was off
I'm not the best with numbers but... there's gotta be some explanation right??

[Vis]

Yes, but BOTH 5 packs have bonuses. Yet only one 5 pack is cheaper than five singles. The Deluxe 5 pack is cheaper than 5 deluxe singles. The normal 5 pack is more -expensive- than five singles. Why the discrepancy in pricing????

I am aware of that, yes. But like I said above, the Deluxe 5-Bundle also has bonus items that increase its value, yet the total cost is still lower than buying 5 deluxe singles.

I think what aymo is saying is that despite the bonus value added, the deluxe 5 pack is STILL cheaper than getting 5 deluxe singles, whereas for the normal kits this isn't true.

I'm not the best with numbers but... there's gotta be some explanation right??

Ok based on these comments I think I understand what you are both getting at lol

If you look at it from the angle of numerical fairness (e.g. both 5-Bundles should offer the same percentage of discount overall compared to individual purchases), it looks uneven.

But if you look at it from the angle of incentivizing NC purchases, it makes sense. TNT deliberately made the most expensive bundle have the highest percentage discount, which is a common practice. The goal of it is to make it look like a better deal than the other pack and therefore more appealing, even though comparing the packs is comparing apples and oranges (gacha vs. non-gacha item values are not quantifiable unless you know / can infer the gacha's probabilities).

They want you to spend the 3,000NC (or 6,000NC) and think 'wow this is a great deal!' while you're doing it.

[aymo]

Ok based on these comments I think I understand what you are both getting at lol

If you look at it from the angle of numerical fairness (e.g. both 5-Bundles should offer the same percentage of discount overall compared to individual purchases), it looks uneven.

But if you look at it from the angle of incentivizing NC purchases, it makes sense. TNT deliberately made the most expensive bundle have the highest percentage discount, which is a common practice. The goal of it is to make it look like a better deal than the other pack and therefore more appealing, even though comparing the packs is comparing apples and oranges (gacha vs. non-gacha item values are not quantifiable unless you know / can infer the gacha's probabilities).

They want you to spend the 3,000NC (or 6,000NC) and think 'wow this is a great deal!' while you're doing it.

I would normally buy a multi pack because it's cheaper than buying the items individually, and also to get a nice bonus prize along with it. People don't really do much math in general... so they probably would not notice that five single random NC tokens are cheaper than the 5 bundle. The bonus item is supposed to be a little prize for buying a pack, not a part of the computation of the price of the multi pack (in my personal opinion).

But again, most people wouldn't give the bundles a second look. They will just assume its a good deal. Maybe it still is a good deal, but if you only want 5 random tokens, and have no need for a bonus 6th token, may as well just buy the 5 tokens.

[Baklava]

i feel odd cash grab vibes from all this lol.

If they can release 3 colors they could've released it all. feels slimy

[♥ Novaray ♥]

It does feel like a cash grab.

I'm cool with UCs being obtainable, lord knows I've wanted a RB Kyrii for a decade lol

But I wish you needed to have the corresponding colour as well, not just the species. I know they were worried about inflation (I think grey PBs skyrocketed to 20mil when the UC revival was announced), but they could counteract that by putting the UC-related PBs in the Hidden Tower, or something like that.

It feels a bit hollow shelling out fifteen bucks and getting your dreamie with a few clicks of a button, lol. I understand they're hurting for cash, but dang.

[Baklava]

It does feel like a cash grab.

I'm cool with UCs being obtainable, lord knows I've wanted a RB Kyrii for a decade lol

But I wish you needed to have the corresponding colour as well, not just the species. I know they were worried about inflation (I think grey PBs skyrocketed to 20mil when the UC revival was announced), but they could counteract that by putting the UC-related PBs in the Hidden Tower, or something like that.

It feels a bit hollow shelling out fifteen bucks and getting your dreamie with a few clicks of a button, lol. I understand they're hurting for cash, but dang.

Yea that's why it feels a. bit weird now. Because you dont even need to paint your pet.
prior to 2007 you had to put in work..

[♥ Wooloo ♥]

Yah okay, that is truth.
I don't know, why they did this.
Like why put two Randoms into the Deluxe Bundle. When I buy Deluxe, I don't want to gamble.
TNT logic.

I gambled with my "free" gacha supplies ngl it was kind of exhilarating

[Vis]

I would normally buy a multi pack because it's cheaper than buying the items individually, and also to get a nice bonus prize along with it. People don't really do much math in general... so they probably would not notice that five single random NC tokens are cheaper than the 5 bundle. The bonus item is supposed to be a little prize for buying a pack, not a part of the computation of the price of the multi pack (in my personal opinion).

But again, most people wouldn't give the bundles a second look. They will just assume its a good deal. Maybe it still is a good deal, but if you only want 5 random tokens, and have no need for a bonus 6th token, may as well just buy the 5 tokens.

My phrasing made it sound more mathematical than it actually is. Because as you and Maki saw, even at a single glance, one was noticeably a better deal than the other. That's instinct at a level that barely requires any calculation.

It's valid that people have different purchasing habits when it comes to how deeply they consider deals, but that is missing the point I was making. You and Maki questioned why TNT would price one so much better than the other, and my answer was that TNT just wants it to instantly look like the better deal out of the two bundles, even if you don't do deeper calculations.

[Miri]

My phrasing made it sound more mathematical than it actually is. Because as you and Maki saw, even at a single glance, one was noticeably a better deal than the other. That's instinct at a level that barely requires any calculation.

It's valid that people have different purchasing habits when it comes to how deeply they consider deals, but that is missing the point I was making. You and Maki questioned why TNT would price one so much better than the other, and my answer was that TNT just wants it to instantly look like the better deal out of the two bundles, even if you don't do deeper calculations.

Do you feel that people just see TNT as stupid and slow?

I think majority underestimate them (the current owners)

[Vis]

Do you feel that people just see TNT as stupid and slow?

I think majority underestimate them (the current owners)

I've never actually considered this before lol, only gone as far as vaguely feeling there exists friction between the user base and TNT. But I can see where you're coming from. In the interest of not going off the topic of NC UCs, I'll message you instead