[Discussion] How do you feel about the recent inflation in specific NP items?

[Mama Bear]

Some of the R99 items would be because the donation events tanked their prices so hard...they're getting back to a more limited supply.

[Invent]

Better than the alternative, to be honest. I'd rather things inflate absurdly high as opposed to deflate hard. Ultimately this is good for anyone who AB's and a lot of this community. Though I do sympathize with people trying to customize pets as it can be frustrating dealing with the hiked prices of PBs/MPs.

[Autobot]

I agree with everyone, the inflation of pet specific items has everything to do with pet slots and future NC ucs.

For nerkmids specifically, there's fewer being awarded now that a whole slew of people cancelled premium over the NFT situation.

I'm one of the rubes that bounced back to premium after the NFT thing flopped bc I wasn't making a lot of neopoints like I used to :'')

Even the cheaper nerks like aluminium and copper are 100k+ now. I don't think your chances of getting a PB are any more or less when you use a rarer nerkmid.

Also this is just a general observation, but making NP is a lot easier now than it was earlier (or maybe all of us who were too young to understand how to make NP and are better at it now lol). Trudy is reliable and if you have a BD pet you can make some steady income even without premium; the kreludor robot is super weak and it's easy to farm armoured neggs and codestones for expense-free training so that you can fight koi warrior or jetsam ace. Restocking isnt the only viable/lucrative solution--which is something I struggled with when I was a perpetually neo-poor kid lol.

[oventoast]

I think at this point the inflation is healthy and it is necessary, since TNT refuses to implement new NP sinks while continuing to provide ways to print neopoints faster than the federal reserve. Would I prefer that they curb it, get some neopoints out of the economy, etc? Yeah. But at the same time it is nice when things are valued differently and when it actually takes time and effort to get things and you can work to achieve value! It is nice to actually spend time on the site doing stuff...

I don't think it is only pet specific either. Stamps are inflating too, but that could be for other external reasons too.

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Sorry to neckbeard everyone but confirming some of the paintbrush inflation is artificial, many large jumps have been made by as few as 2 accounts.

I was stalking one PB in particular and watched the TP clear out in real time (not literally, but over the shortest time I've seen thus bar by a massive whack) and then two users popped up at nearly the same time with seeking price of 4 million more than the last highest price.

I then watched it happen to a couple of other PBs and, let's just say, if you find an unrelated item with an 'inflation notice' on jellyneo and search it on the TP, you'll start seeing recurring usernames having them up for trade. Often popping up around the same time, just after the TP clears out randomly.

The demand for PBs is definitely higher with pet slots and whatnot, but the massive surges we're seeing are intentional.

The same can be said for nerkmids. When they first shot up, you could see the stores with 50+ of each nerkmid, the price kept dropping back but now has stabilised at 100k+. Funnily enough, one of the stores belonged to a user I recognised from watching pb prices lmao. Cunts.

(I'm not naming because it's anecdotal and could be the world's biggest coincidence - and also because one of the accounts has a note to TNT on their profile that suggests other people might be fucking with them)

TY for letting me get this off my chest because it's been making so fucking mad. I want PBs that aren't even UC or popular.

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You can actually track the prices via jellyneo and there are some pbs that were less than 200k back in the day that are now 5-7 mill.

Some of the popular ones have gone back to their peak values and others have/had gone above that.

I was being a massive dork and putting the info into graphs recently and it's actually whack

yeah this is my conspiracy theory too. the user that does it also brags about it on the neoboards lol

[Using My Pass]

Some of the R99 items would be because the donation events tanked their prices so hard...they're getting back to a more limited supply.

I think that makes a lot of sense for items that show a gradual increase, particularly for ones with a use.

But I would argue if they've gone up excessively in a short period of time recently, that probably is less organic.

Eg from first page searching R99 on JN:

Note: These will be out of date most likely and may have settled down (but god damn, there's a lot more inflation notices since mid-late 2021)

Acara Ear Guards
Inflation Notice: 320,000 NP (341%) on October 26, 2021 by Item DB Crew
72,500 NP (+7,500 NP) on July 17, 2021 by Item DB Crew
65,000 NP (-500 NP) on April 29, 2021 by Item DB Crew

Alien Usuki

Inflation Notice: 4,000,000 NP (167%) on November 28, 2021 by Item DB Crew
1,500,000 NP (no change) on August 31, 2021 by Item DB Crew
1,500,000 NP (+300,000 NP) on May 20, 2021 by Item DB Crew

Baby JubJub Morphing Potion
Inflation Notice: 3,250,000 NP (358%) on January 8, 2022 by Item DB Crew
710,000 NP (no change) on November 29, 2021 by Item DB Crew
710,000 NP (-55,000 NP) on October 24, 2021 by Item DB Crew

[kittyray]

Legitimate question from somebody who has very little understanding of this type of (or any) economics:

Does this kind of thing actually help the economy? Like, if you already need to have a certain amount of capital to buy up these assets and drive inflation, won't it just mostly take money out of the pocket of middle-of-the-road users, and makes things really inaccessible to the more casual player? More or less keeping the status quo if not widening the divide? I'm not like arguing for Neopets Socialism, I just literally am too dumb do not know enough about this stuff to know how this actually works.

[Using My Pass]

I think at this point the inflation is healthy and it is necessary, since TNT refuses to implement new NP sinks while continuing to provide ways to print neopoints faster than the federal reserve. Would I prefer that they curb it, get some neopoints out of the economy, etc? Yeah. But at the same time it is nice when things are valued differently and when it actually takes time and effort to get things and you can work to achieve value! It is nice to actually spend time on the site doing stuff...

I don't think it is only pet specific either. Stamps are inflating too, but that could be for other external reasons too.

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yeah this is my conspiracy theory too. the user that does it also brags about it on the neoboards lol

I get your point on inflation being healthy and necessary. The issue is more that (for me) finishing pet goals that I had PRIOR to getting more slots/pets is now unobtainable.

The total of completing original goals is now higher than the largest amount of Neopoints I've ever owned. At this point it's entirely unobtainable without going back to playing 8+ hours a day and even then, with the smaller playerbase it's a tedious task.

Restocking, FC, dailies, select flipping, none of that is going to be enough to get the colours I've planned for, let alone galleries I was working on. Meanwhile any of my older, more expensive gallery items seem to fall into one of 2 categories 1: Deflated by the shop revamp, 2: UB and non-existent (aka unlikely to be able to replace). So i've run out of options and proceeding almost seems silly like, i may not finish by the time the site dies.

Sorry, I did my classic "accidentally ranted all up in ya face". This isn't me trying to argue with you or anyone else. I am specifically exasperated with people artificially inflating shit and it's been bothering me for nearly a year lmao

[dustyc]

I was actually just looking to buy a petpet, which was at about 5mil a few months ago. But I just checked them on the TP and auctions, and they seem to be going for 10mil-12mil now, super annoying. I mean, yes, I could buy one for the inflated price. But I think at this point I'll just wait until they deflate again (fingers crossed).

I honestly don't pay attention to the restocking/reselling side of the site that often, only when there's a more expensive item I want to buy. But I've always found it so silly when resellers artificially inflate items that no one is buying anyways. I've seen some have an item on the TP for some time, only to relist it at a higher price despite it already not selling. If you're wanting to sell it and you're not getting any interest, wouldn't you...lower the price? Man, maybe I just don't get restockers haha.

[Using My Pass]

Legitimate question from somebody who has very little understanding of this type of (or any) economics:

Does this kind of thing actually help the economy? Like, if you already need to have a certain amount of capital to buy up these assets and drive inflation, won't it just mostly take money out of the pocket of middle-of-the-road users, and makes things really inaccessible to the more casual player? More or less keeping the status quo if not widening the divide? I'm not like arguing for Neopets Socialism, I just literally am too dumb do not know enough about this stuff to know how this actually works.

As someone who was previously rich, broke or average depending on who I spoke to, this is my feeling.

And it's sure as hell not gonna "trickle down" via me buying randoms PBs/MPs anymore.

[oventoast]

I get your point on inflation being healthy and necessary. The issue is more that (for me) finishing pet goals that I had PRIOR to getting more slots/pets is now unobtainable.

The total of completing original goals is now higher than the largest amount of Neopoints I've ever owned. At this point it's entirely unobtainable without going back to playing 8+ hours a day and even then, with the smaller playerbase it's a tedious task.

Restocking, FC, dailies, select flipping, none of that is going to be enough to get the colours I've planned for, let alone galleries I was working on. Meanwhile any of my older, more expensive gallery items seem to fall into one of 2 categories 1: Deflated by the shop revamp, 2: UB and non-existent (aka unlikely to be able to replace). So i've run out of options and proceeding almost seems silly like, i may not finish by the time the site dies.

Sorry, I did my classic "accidentally ranted all up in ya face". This isn't me trying to argue with you or anyone else. I am specifically exasperated with people artificially inflating shit and it's been bothering me for nearly a year lmao

i mean the paintbrushes thing is obviously not just purely inflation or demand, theres people literally trying to pump them up which is annoying lol