What unsolved mystery do you hope to see solved in your lifetime?

[rio]

There are a couple of unsolved mysteries that have always stuck with me. Every cold case is haunting in its own rights, but for me these are two I'd love to see the answers to and have some closure on.

1. Madeleine McCann
I google her name probably once every couple of months and there is always a recent update regarding a suspect. This in itself intrigues me as its always, always about some crazy pedo they suspect (latest update in google news: Christian Brueckner, 6 hours ago) and not ever about the parents or any other outcome. Its as if, in recent years, they've forgotten other potential scenarios. If not, why are they consistently coming to the conclusion she was taken? I can't see any recent evidence that isn't speculative.

I personally feel 60/40 between it being the parents and her being abducted. I don't think she's still alive, I think the parents killed her by accident and panicked. The cadaver dogs are just too difficult to ignore, especially being that they alerted to multiple places. If we spend so much time and money training dogs for this kind of thing (who have been successful in the past) why does their work get so heavily discredited in this case?

2. MH370
This happened somewhat close to home for me so perhaps that plays a factor in why its always stuck with me, I just find it so incredible that an entire plane with 240 odd people can just disappear without a trace. I know this was 2014 and technology has advanced a lot since then, but I'm sorry, how do we have only theories about what happened? What were all our satellites doing? How have multiple parts washed up in 6 (if I remember correctly) different countries and we have no solid theories? Why the U-turn? I understand the open ocean is wild and vastly unexplored but... I just really can't stand that really we can only speculate. I can't imagine how the families of these people feel. Hopefully in time we can reassess the pieces that have washed up in a similar way to how we can test DNA today and solve cases from 20 years ago and get some answers.

What mysteries have perplexed you? Have you watched the Unsolved Mystery series on Netflix? I haven't, because apparently its 14 seasons long and I don't want to get hooked on any more haha. Lets discuss and have no closure together!

[Aero]

Great thread. Always love some unsolved mysteries to keep me up at night. I had to do a report on MH 370 in university, and it honestly seemed to me that one of the pilots crashed the plane into the water. There was evidence showing that he had been practicing some routes on a simulator and I believe he wiped the system after? But then again it could have entirely been a freak accident as well (and I was in uni a while back so maybe new evidence surfaced).

(you need an account to see links) is my favourite mystery, but the FBI stopped actively investigating it in 2016 according to Wikipedia. The page is worth a read and you really come away almost liking the guy as little is known besides the fact that he was very polite to flight attendants.

Another rabbit hole I went down recently was the disappearance of Ben McDaniel during a solo cave diving expedition (the (you need an account to see links) is very good, but the author never finished his series before also disappearing). If you have thalassophobia or claustrophobia and like to make yourself feel bad, this one is for you.

[rio]

Great thread. Always love some unsolved mysteries to keep me up at night. I had to do a report on MH 370 in university, and it honestly seemed to me that one of the pilots crashed the plane into the water. There was evidence showing that he had been practicing some routes on a simulator and I believe he wiped the system after? But then again it could have entirely been a freak accident as well (and I was in uni a while back so maybe new evidence surfaced).

(you need an account to see links) is my favourite mystery, but the FBI stopped actively investigating it in 2016 according to Wikipedia. The page is worth a read and you really come away almost liking the guy as little is known besides the fact that he was very polite to flight attendants.

Another rabbit hole I went down recently was the disappearance of Ben McDaniel during a solo cave diving expedition (the (you need an account to see links) is very good, but the author never finished his series before also disappearing). If you have thalassophobia or claustrophobia and like to make yourself feel bad, this one is for you.

Haha right? I was thinking about this quite late at night (ryu missions) but thought I better wait til daytime to post it lest I stay up any later!
Yes the simulator practice was interesting.. but innocent until proven guilty. Even when you seem so sure something is the case there's always the chance that it isn't what you think at all. Imagine the coincidence if it were just an accident after all.

Thank you for sharing the links, I haven't heard of either of those cases so will do some reading. I hope the author comes back! What a silly thing to do when writing so well about something unsolved! At least finish it

The (you need an account to see links) for sure. I'm almost positive it won't happen since the murders occurred in the 1930s, but the nature of those stories haunt me so much. Cleveland was booming with industry in the 30s, so it was common practice for laborers to temporarily move to the outskirts of the city in "villages," which is where almost all of these murders occurred. Over the course of 3 years, twelve people were murdered & dismembered in Cleveland with select body parts left for the police/private citizens to happen upon. At one point, it even seemed the murderer was taunting the agents who were investigating the case, by leaving bodies in plain view from their office windows.

You never know though - maybe one day the technology will allow us to, though nobody could be held responsible now.
Leaving bodies in plain sight is shocking, the investigators must've been so stressed with them being so close and not able to catch them quick enough. And now for it to be unsolved so many years later. Has anyone ever done a death bed confession? I have mixed feelings about those, especially ones that are done with such nature there isn't time to ask questions to verify if its truthful or not.

There are a few that still really bother me, but as it's just been the anniversary, for now I'll say the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana.

Oh, wow, that is really tragic. They were so young.
I always thought at 14 I was so grown up. The older I get the more paranoid I become. Does that come with aging and just being more aware of the darkness in this world? I wonder why on earth my parents ever let me out alone or walk home from school by myself. That must've been nerve wracking.
I'm sure this one is ticking time bomb. The fact that there is video and perhaps more damning, audio to support who the police are looking for is a strong lead. Yes it has been four years but if that person in the video didn't do it, don't you think they'd come forward to clear their name? Hardly seems like you would hide out of pure fear of being wrongly accused.
Does he say to go down the hill in the audio? I can't quite catch it.

The thing that always gets me with unsolved cases is that someone knows what happened.



EDIT: I have replied to all the posts but only one has come through, the others have to be approved

[tangerine]

The (you need an account to see links) for sure. I'm almost positive it won't happen since the murders occurred in the 1930s, but the nature of those stories haunt me so much. Cleveland was booming with industry in the 30s, so it was common practice for laborers to temporarily move to the outskirts of the city in "villages," which is where almost all of these murders occurred. Over the course of 3 years, twelve people were murdered & dismembered in Cleveland with select body parts left for the police/private citizens to happen upon. At one point, it even seemed the murderer was taunting the agents who were investigating the case, by leaving bodies in plain view from their office windows.

[kittyray]

There are a few that still really bother me, but as it's just been the anniversary, for now I'll say the murders of Abby Williams and Libby German in Delphi, Indiana.

[kittyray]

Oh, wow, that is really tragic. They were so young.
I always thought at 14 I was so grown up. The older I get the more paranoid I become. Does that come with aging and just being more aware of the darkness in this world? I wonder why on earth my parents ever let me out alone or walk home from school by myself. That must've been nerve wracking.
I'm sure this one is ticking time bomb. The fact that there is video and perhaps more damning, audio to support who the police are looking for is a strong lead. Yes it has been four years but if that person in the video didn't do it, don't you think they'd come forward to clear their name? Hardly seems like you would hide out of pure fear of being wrongly accused.
Does he say to go down the hill in the audio? I can't quite catch it.

The thing that always gets me with unsolved cases is that someone knows what happened.



EDIT: I have replied to all the posts but only one has come through, the others have to be approved

I'm definitely more cautious with age. It was like a mix of feeling invincible to romanticizing other aspects (I've had a few chats about being a teen and idolizing people who die young, though not really violent attacks, but that's a different topic). I used to go running in the woods all the time as a teen and my mom hated it, but didn't stop me.

Yeah, there's SO much in the case that they have, but very little seems like it was released to the public. I wonder if they're sitting on something that ties into something bigger, or if it's just wishful thinking.

And yeah, that somebody thing also gets to me. Like for some there really might not be, like in the case of missing hikers or similar. Another case that just pops into my head with the "somebody knows something" thing sometimes is Asha Degree.

[rio]

Great thread. Always love some unsolved mysteries to keep me up at night. I had to do a report on MH 370 in university, and it honestly seemed to me that one of the pilots crashed the plane into the water. There was evidence showing that he had been practicing some routes on a simulator and I believe he wiped the system after? But then again it could have entirely been a freak accident as well (and I was in uni a while back so maybe new evidence surfaced).

(you need an account to see links) is my favourite mystery, but the FBI stopped actively investigating it in 2016 according to Wikipedia. The page is worth a read and you really come away almost liking the guy as little is known besides the fact that he was very polite to flight attendants.

Another rabbit hole I went down recently was the disappearance of Ben McDaniel during a solo cave diving expedition (the (you need an account to see links) is very good, but the author never finished his series before also disappearing). If you have thalassophobia or claustrophobia and like to make yourself feel bad, this one is for you.

Right! I was thinking about starting this thread late last night and then thought I better wait til daytime!
Yes the simulator aspect is so interesting, but innocent until proven guilty right.. imagine if he had been practicing, but it were just a freak accident. Theres always a chance, no matter how convinced you are or what the evidence seems to point to, that something else happened entirely.

Thank you for the links, I haven't heard of either of those but have opened up some tabs! How ironic (and irritating) to disappear part way though writing about an unsolved case!

The (you need an account to see links) for sure. I'm almost positive it won't happen since the murders occurred in the 1930s, but the nature of those stories haunt me so much. Cleveland was booming with industry in the 30s, so it was common practice for laborers to temporarily move to the outskirts of the city in "villages," which is where almost all of these murders occurred. Over the course of 3 years, twelve people were murdered & dismembered in Cleveland with select body parts left for the police/private citizens to happen upon. At one point, it even seemed the murderer was taunting the agents who were investigating the case, by leaving bodies in plain view from their office windows.

You would hope that in this day and age we are progressing towards technology that can solve this kind of thing, or at the very least pull DNA from evidence. How sad that the person responsible won't ever be held accountable nor will the families see justice. Hopefully we can honor those people with finding it for them.
Can you imagine being the police in this case - how terrible to be taunted in such a way and to have the killer so close only to never catch them.

I'm definitely more cautious with age. It was like a mix of feeling invincible to romanticizing other aspects (I've had a few chats about being a teen and idolizing people who die young, though not really violent attacks, but that's a different topic). I used to go running in the woods all the time as a teen and my mom hated it, but didn't stop me.

Yeah, there's SO much in the case that they have, but very little seems like it was released to the public. I wonder if they're sitting on something that ties into something bigger, or if it's just wishful thinking.

And yeah, that somebody thing also gets to me. Like for some there really might not be, like in the case of missing hikers or similar. Another case that just pops into my head with the "somebody knows something" thing sometimes is Asha Degree.

I remember feeling "but that will never happen to ME, because I'm careful" which I suppose is a variation of that invincible feeling. I definitely romanticized too, especially being a young parent, but like you said, another topic.
I wouldn't even do that now! I'm not surprised she hated it. Did you have headphones in when you ran?

What do you think is the advantage of sitting on evidence of that nature though? Apart from letting the killer know just how close or far they are?

Speaking of missing hikers, have you seen the show (I want to say missing 411 but I feel thats wrong) about people who just disappear mid hike, even around other people? Sometimes their belongings are found miles away from where they were last seen. I need to google and find more information other than these crumbs I can currently offer you lol, but its so fascinating.

[kittyray]

I remember feeling "but that will never happen to ME, because I'm careful" which I suppose is a variation of that invincible feeling. I definitely romanticized too, especially being a young parent, but like you said, another topic.
I wouldn't even do that now! I'm not surprised she hated it. Did you have headphones in when you ran?

Exactly! Now I wanna start a topic on that kind of thing, but it feels a little heavy/personal.

I'd probably still do it now, but I'd be a lot more careful. I had music playing pretty loud, but I could still hear my surroundings a little. Somebody probably could have snuck up on me, though it might have been hard for them to sneak at my speed. Nowawadays I've been thinking of investing into bone-conducting headphones so I can have music but still have full normal hearing, too, but I don't know how well they actually work.

@(you need an account to see links) answered the advantage part to that pretty well, and also a really good writeup so thanks for that!

I've heard of Missing 411, but never watched it. I think it can just be really easy to underestimate how little it takes to get lost in the woods. I once got turned around and it took all day for my group to find me even though I didn't actually stray that far from camp. I've met people who got lost for days. Or people who find missing/injured people by happenstance. And then there are some people who aren't as lucky. Especially on trickier or riskier environments. I could go on for a LONG time about things like this, but don't want to detract from the thread.

[rio]

Exactly! Now I wanna start a topic on that kind of thing, but it feels a little heavy/personal.

I'd probably still do it now, but I'd be a lot more careful. I had music playing pretty loud, but I could still hear my surroundings a little. Somebody probably could have snuck up on me, though it might have been hard for them to sneak at my speed. Nowawadays I've been thinking of investing into bone-conducting headphones so I can have music but still have full normal hearing, too, but I don't know how well they actually work.

@(you need an account to see links) answered the advantage part to that pretty well, and also a really good writeup so thanks for that!

I've heard of Missing 411, but never watched it. I think it can just be really easy to underestimate how little it takes to get lost in the woods. I once got turned around and it took all day for my group to find me even though I didn't actually stray that far from camp. I've met people who got lost for days. Or people who find missing/injured people by happenstance. And then there are some people who aren't as lucky. Especially on trickier or riskier environments. I could go on for a LONG time about things like this, but don't want to detract from the thread.

Well this topic is pretty heavy. Maybe we need a new subforum, "Dark Discussions" lol.
Bone conduction is interesting, you'd have to trial them first. I feel like you could still get distracted by the music if its a good song or you're at a hard point in your run and concentrating on getting through it.

Maybe you're right and its nothing nefarious at all, but for me it was the volume of people that disappear and the fact that they are never found but their things are found miles away, or in places you can't hike to. I'm not sure I believe in Wendigo or Bigfoot but it certainly makes you think. I just checked youtube and it is called Missing 411.

[Aero]

I'm definitely more cautious with age. It was like a mix of feeling invincible to romanticizing other aspects (I've had a few chats about being a teen and idolizing people who die young, though not really violent attacks, but that's a different topic). I used to go running in the woods all the time as a teen and my mom hated it, but didn't stop me.

Yeah, there's SO much in the case that they have, but very little seems like it was released to the public. I wonder if they're sitting on something that ties into something bigger, or if it's just wishful thinking.

And yeah, that somebody thing also gets to me. Like for some there really might not be, like in the case of missing hikers or similar. Another case that just pops into my head with the "somebody knows something" thing sometimes is Asha Degree.

Wow you're so right. This is horrible, but I would say I'm a very naive person and I always believe the best in people, which is probably true for most people in this world, but it only takes one to completely careen your life off course (or leave you dead). I've definitely in the past walked around late at night/extremely early morning in relatively safe places (my collegetown, NYC) and even had intoxicated convos with strangers. In retrospect, this was incredibly stupid and it would have only taken one person to take advantage of me for it to be all over. I can't even imagine being a parent and having to worry about this or learning to worry about it. Food for thought.