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    Super Straight?

    Hey all, I just read a long Discord thread provoked by one person setting their status to "Super Straight", which is defined as "a sexual preference in which one prefers only the opposite sex with the exclusion of transgender people". This led to a long conversation about how the term is transphobic and exclusionary. I had never even heard of this term before today.

    Knowing CK is a diverse community, I am curious what y'all think of this. Is it harmful for someone to be "super straight"? Is it mainly offensive when you actively identify as "super straight" with an "in your face" attitude? Do you think it's the term itself that is offensive or is it the mindset of excluding transgender people from your sexual preference?

    One argument I read was that being "super straight" just reduces the other person to what's in their pants. I have lesbian friends who tell me they are grossed out by the thought of sexually interacting with the male phallus... which to me sounds like "super lesbian"? Given the current cultural climate I would think that people could be accepting of someone's sexuality rather they include or exclude men/women/trans people.

    Please understand I am genuinely asking in an attempt to better understand both sides of the coin. I hope my wording was not offensive. My PMs are open if you feel uncomfortable replying...

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    Yeah, it's harmful, and the people using it are doing so with the intent of being divisive and cruel.

    Gender is a socially constructed concept and physical sex is, well... complicated. There are "biological women" born with penises and "biological men" born with vaginas. Would you call an intersex woman born with a penis someone with a male phallus? Would you call a man's micropenis a clit? Male and female are descriptors that don't even always work. Human biodiversity is so overwhelming there will always be people for whom the "natural" constructs of physical sex are fuzzy and they're gonna get shafted by people looking to make a culture war out of their very existence, same as trans people's existence is being made a culture war now because gay people are at least in some places more accepted. The second trans people are stomped back into the closet they'll be moving on to the rest of the rainbow because that's how it works. (There were after all gay nazis until suddenly there weren't. etc etc. And nazis explicitly targeted trans studies. What fuckin books you think they burned?)

    I remember being younger and taking the pansexual label specifically because I would encounter bisexual people whose sexuality explicitly excluded trans people. This is the same shit in a newer, meaner hat. New things scary, people I don't understand are getting rights so I have to make their lives miserable to try and stop change from happening, ooga booga booga.


    As well this shit explicitly comes from 4chan nazis. "Super straight" - SS - is literally a nazi reference. If you need the screenshots as proof I can hunt them down.


    ETA: Just realized I might sound aggressive. I'm just naturally cranky.
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    i mean hey to each their own, super straight we out here super gay so lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSlowBro View Post
    i mean hey to each their own, super straight we out here super gay so lol
    Unfortunately Super Gay is also happening in tandem with Super Straight and it's just as transphobic. No nice things for anyone ever

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crybaby View Post
    Unfortunately Super Gay is also happening in tandem with Super Straight and it's just as transphobic. No nice things for anyone ever
    really ok let's be honest please no one get offended but as a gay man, all this lgbtq+ has gone too far. People are just trying to stem as far as they can from the norm
    Everythings becoming confusing as fuck not just for straight people but for the rest of us lol. THe idea of being transphobic when we're talking super straight or super gay defs sounds like some little kid not making it on grindr lmao

    tbh i find the trans community gets a lot of love its just a lot are down low and into trans but dont feel comfortable enough yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSlowBro View Post
    really ok let's be honest please no one gets offended but as a gay man, all this lgbtq+ has gone too far. People are just trying to stem as far as they can from the norm
    Everythings becoming confusing as fuck not just for straight people but for the rest of us lol. THe idea of being transphobic when we're talking super straight or super gay defs sounds like some little kid not making it on grindr lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crybaby View Post
    There are "biological women" born with penises and "biological men" born with vaginas. Would you call an intersex woman born with a penis someone with a male phallus?
    Wikipedia's article on Intersex states The number of births with ambiguous genitals is in the range of 0.02% to 0.05%. I don't think the super straight definition really considered this rare medical condition. My interpretation is super straight excludes people who made a cognizant decision to undergo hormone therapy and/or sex reassignment surgery. Personally I am fine with someone identifying however they want, and I expect to have the same graces afforded to myself, be it straight, gay, super straight, super gay, non-smokers-only, doesn't-already-have-kids, etc. However when dating or searching for your potential life partner I think it's fair for someone to include/exclude people who have made decisions you agree/disagree with, beliefs contrary to yours (religion), mentalities that do not align with your own.

    For debate purposes I don't have much interest in the term's origins. I think now that it's out there we should discuss it's definition at face value. It is not fair to assume someone using the term today is aware of its origins (i.e. myself)

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    I think I'm also in that same Discord server and it was cool to see the original person reevaluate and concede their point. Specifically that it's mostly bad-faith groups using the term so it is probably wise to steer clear of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachafer View Post
    For debate purposes I don't have much interest in the term's origins. I think now that it's out there we should discuss it's definition at face value. It is not fair to assume someone using the term today is aware of its origins (i.e. myself)
    I don't think we can fairly isolate the term's origins from how it is being used. Taking the same approach with any slur isn't super productive because oftentimes it isn't the word itself that is particularly harmful or offensive but rather the context and history surrounding the word that can cut like a dagger.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zachafer View Post
    However when dating or searching for your potential life partner I think it's fair for someone to include/exclude people who have made decisions you agree/disagree with, beliefs contrary to yours (religion), mentalities that do not align with your own.
    I don't think anyone would disagree with this. I also think people should critically examine their own preferences from time to time. Most people (myself included) could stand to question their own biases a bit more. In the case of folks who refer to themselves as super-straight, I honestly think that line of questioning would reveal some latent opinions about trans people that might be rooted in misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrSlowBro View Post
    Everythings becoming confusing as fuck not just for straight people but for the rest of us lol. THe idea of being transphobic when we're talking super straight or super gay defs sounds like some little kid not making it on grindr lmao
    I think the issue with Super Straight is as a term it was created WITH THE INTENT of being transphobic. It comes from Terf rhetoric and that crap. I am trans, and I don't take it personally if people aren't comfortable sleeping with me because of my parts, people have preferences, and that's totally fair and fine. The reason Super Straight is transphobic is because it was literally created to be a transphobic term. It's used alongside terf shit to basically say I'm only attracted to "real men" and "real women".

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    Don't think it's Transphobic at all. Sexual preferences where created so people know what you're into too or not. being "Gay" is Anti Straight and Straight is Anti gay. Just another sexual preference. Being Straight myself I'm not into Trans at all but I'm not Transphobic it's my preference. I think people who see it as Transphobic just want something else to complain about.

    Deep thought here: I love black clothing and not a fan of other colored clothing. No is one getting upset that I'm excluding all other colors besides Black Clothing why get upset about someone's sexual preference if they want to exclude a group they should be able to do it in peace. Why are the gays not getting in on this since it's homophobic technically.

    Food for thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iscariot View Post
    I think the issue with Super Straight is as a term it was created WITH THE INTENT of being transphobic. It comes from Terf rhetoric and that crap. I am trans, and I don't take it personally if people aren't comfortable sleeping with me because of my parts, people have preferences, and that's totally fair and fine. The reason Super Straight is transphobic is because it was literally created to be a transphobic term. It's used alongside terf shit to basically say I'm only attracted to "real men" and "real women".
    All Sexual preferences have intent to be phobic of each other technically.

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