Climate Change, Chinese Hoax or Impending Apocolypse?

[Milly]

Scientist are telling us what seems to be everyday now we are tipping over the edge of a runaway effect that will ultimately lead us to our own demise via wars, famine before the ocean acidifies and we all die! But then we have people who still believe this is an actual hoax?

What are your thoughts on this issue? Are we to far gone? Or is any of this even happening? Are you furious our politicians couldnt give a shit less? Are you worried for the future of your kids? Id love to here from the ck community!

Some articles Ive seen on reddit this past week

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[jack35999]

I'm a chemical engineer, for my capstone project in school I worked on a carbon capture and sequestration process design. I had an industrial advisor that had a weird view on climate change, he believed it was real but that it wasn't caused by traditional greenhouse gasses like carbon dioxide or methane. But that it was caused by increased amounts of water vapour in the atmosphere, his argument was fairly compelling.

Here's a link to the article he wrote about the subject and presented at a couple conferences:
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I have a copy to the full article if anyone wants it just shoot me a pm.

In my opinion we're fine, our kids will be fine, but their kids will be screwed. I don't believe it'll ever be too late to undo the damage we did. But undoing environmental damage unfortunately isn't financially attractive. I don't blame the politicians, I blame the corporations and their shareholders (0.0000001% blame myself as a result). I don't think we're at the tipping point, people have been saying the sky is falling for years now, but the longer we wait the more people will die as a result in the long run.

[earthanimal]

the thing that concerns me most is not that it is going to kill us all. i am not sure how far we are from that point, but i am not afraid of death. pain is reserved for the living.
i am concerned about the rampant diseases that are nearly impossible to get away from in today's reality. i am constantly wondering what it would be like to be able to just have easy access to healthy foods that don't cause horrible illnesses. i wonder what it was like being a human hundreds (or thousands) of years ago and not be in pain all the time. not be kept alive with diseases that you treat with drugs that just cause new sickness to embed itself in your DNA.
i miss being able to eat seafood without thinking "wow i am filling my body with insanely toxic micro plastics"

[Da Plushee Boree]

That is a a pretty bad and weak argument. Like, hundreds (not thousands, thousands is worse) years ago, people lived to their 40s with the same problems than today (if not worse, and IF they get to live past 2 or 10 years old), thats why all that "drugs" were created in the first place, there're no sickness not illneses that could "embed" in the ADN, and the illneses and plagues they lived hundreds years ago were horrifying and misstreated. Medical science is way different now than then...

Now, about eating microplastics, etc, the thing is that there should be a more strict lineup of what we eat, and how industries process it, there's a need of better industry practices regarding contamination but, as jack35999 says, it has a lot to do with finances and how we assume our way of living. I mean, it's sad, but just by eating a little less meat in western countries and having less to zero children, environmental damage and famine would be better controlled...

[earthanimal]

That is a a pretty bad and weak argument. Like, hundreds (not thousands, thousands is worse) years ago, people lived to their 40s with the same problems than today (if not worse, and IF they get to live past 2 or 10 years old), thats why all that "drugs" were created in the first place, there're no sickness not illneses that could "embed" in the ADN, and the illneses and plagues they lived hundreds years ago were horrifying and misstreated. Medical science is way different now than then...

Now, about eating microplastics, etc, the thing is that there should be a more strict lineup of what we eat, and how industries process it, there's a need of better industry practices regarding contamination but, as jack35999 says, it has a lot to do with finances and how we assume our way of living. I mean, it's sad, but just by eating a little less meat in western countries and having less to zero children, environmental damage and famine would be better controlled...

life expectancy is a big part of my argument. natural diseases used to kill people. now, that doesn't happen nearly as often, which is both good and bad. people are living a lot longer (a huge contributing factor to environmental and economic disaster), and they are very often on medication that is just causing different illness. plastic is a HUGE problem in many ecosystems now, but especially the ocean, where it breaks down into micro plastics that adsorb toxins throughout all the seawater in the world, get eaten by fish, and end up on our plates.
not only that, but decades of industrialism and unnatural farming practices have stripped most soil of any nutrients. we are consuming way more calories than we used to, and way less nutrients. on top of that, most people are hard pressed to find foods that are not pre-packaged in styrofoam, plastic, glossed cardboard, or other materials that are hard to break down and release toxins into the environment. and then if the packaging wasn't bad enough, the food inside is full of strange, synthetic materials that are not readily digested by the human body.
there is no balance anymore. we cannot have safety from deadly diseases like the plague, without having highly toxic drugs in our systems, materials in and surrounding our "food", or actual food that is highly nutritious, instead of bred to be full of sugar, and then covered with wax.
i realize my original post was not the most sensical argument, i guess i was just exhausted when i wrote it.

edit: also, perhaps humans are actually supposed to have a life expectancy of 40, naturally?

[Mr. 49]

I do not know why "Chinese hoax" is even included in the title, it seems as though you are trying to give that some validity.

Capitalism, specifically western and white capitalism has destroyed the planet. Endless greed, nonexistent care for the planet and renewable resources, destruction of indigenous lands and cultures has really done the most harm. What we eat is not the problem, it's how it's mass-produced for a western capitalist society that is. Eating meat was never a problem for the thousands of years that people have done it, and neither was international agriculture. Now both of them are ruining the environment AND exploiting indigenous people and land/cultures in the global south.

China has reduced their footprint immensely and continues to do so, while western nations absolutely refuse to and INCREASE their carbon footprints. We really sucked all we could from Earth and continue to do so, while placing the work of correcting it on children.

[jack35999]

I do not know why "Chinese hoax" is even included in the title, it seems as though you are trying to give that some validity.

Capitalism, specifically western and white capitalism has destroyed the planet. Endless greed, nonexistent care for the planet and renewable resources, destruction of indigenous lands and cultures has really done the most harm. What we eat is not the problem, it's how it's mass-produced for a western capitalist society that is. Eating meat was never a problem for the thousands of years that people have done it, and neither was international agriculture. Now both of them are ruining the environment AND exploiting indigenous people and land/cultures in the global south.

China has reduced their footprint immensely and continues to do so, while western nations absolutely refuse to and INCREASE their carbon footprints. We really sucked all we could from Earth and continue to do so, while placing the work of correcting it on children.

I'm gonna contradict my previous point above and put some blame on the politicians, I realize I overlooked something. The people who rule China expect to be in that position until they die, so they act and plan for the long term. As well, the people don't really have a choice in it when there's new taxes or costs related to going green. In the west politicians plan for the next election, and supporting carbon taxes are wildly unpopular. They care more about the short term, staying in power, rather than the long term.

[Milly]

I do not know why "Chinese hoax" is even included in the title, it seems as though you are trying to give that some validity.

Capitalism, specifically western and white capitalism has destroyed the planet. Endless greed, nonexistent care for the planet and renewable resources, destruction of indigenous lands and cultures has really done the most harm. What we eat is not the problem, it's how it's mass-produced for a western capitalist society that is. Eating meat was never a problem for the thousands of years that people have done it, and neither was international agriculture. Now both of them are ruining the environment AND exploiting indigenous people and land/cultures in the global south.

China has reduced their footprint immensely and continues to do so, while western nations absolutely refuse to and INCREASE their carbon footprints. We really sucked all we could from Earth and continue to do so, while placing the work of correcting it on children.

Your assumption is incorrect bud, its in the title because the President of The United States has people actually believing this shit. Not me forcing a conspiracy on people. (ok maybe a little clickbait too )

Love the energy though! Take it to the polls this November!







I understand climate change being a chinese hoax is a blatant crazy conspiracy theory to us, but people really don't think anything is happening.


tl;dr Chinese hoax is a direct quote from our POTUS on the subject matter we are 'debating' in this topic hence why it was used in the title. Other than that I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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I'm a chemical engineer, for my capstone project in school I worked on a carbon capture and sequestration process design. I had an industrial advisor that had a weird view on climate change, he believed it was real but that it wasn't caused by traditional greenhouse gasses like carbon dioxide or methane. But that it was caused by increased amounts of water vapour in the atmosphere, his argument was fairly compelling.

Here's a link to the article he wrote about the subject and presented at a couple conferences:
(you need an account to see links)
I have a copy to the full article if anyone wants it just shoot me a pm.

In my opinion we're fine, our kids will be fine, but their kids will be screwed. I don't believe it'll ever be too late to undo the damage we did. But undoing environmental damage unfortunately isn't financially attractive. I don't blame the politicians, I blame the corporations and their shareholders (0.0000001% blame myself as a result). I don't think we're at the tipping point, people have been saying the sky is falling for years now, but the longer we wait the more people will die as a result in the long run.

Interesting contribution! Thank you for sharing, I am going to have to disagree with the statement that it wont ever be too late to undo the damages we have caused, once that Clathrate gun is 'fired' (some already think it has) I think were boned. The thought has me quaking in my loafers.

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the thing that concerns me most is not that it is going to kill us all. i am not sure how far we are from that point, but i am not afraid of death. pain is reserved for the living.
i am concerned about the rampant diseases that are nearly impossible to get away from in today's reality. i am constantly wondering what it would be like to be able to just have easy access to healthy foods that don't cause horrible illnesses. i wonder what it was like being a human hundreds (or thousands) of years ago and not be in pain all the time. not be kept alive with diseases that you treat with drugs that just cause new sickness to embed itself in your DNA.
i miss being able to eat seafood without thinking "wow i am filling my body with insanely toxic micro plastics"

I feel like you're arguing a point for homeopathic medicine and a paleo diet up until the micro-plastic bit, which is still being brought up in regards to your diet opposed to micro-plastics effect on the planet.
I'm gonna disagree with this entire post and leave at that since my goal is to keep this related to the climate changing rapidly.
Love the bold opinions though! I encourage you to make a thread in this section about the diet of humans today/fda regulations/big pharma and the way we are affected! (:

[Mr. 49]

I understand climate change being a chinese hoax is a blatant crazy conspiracy theory to us, but people really don't think anything is happening.


tl;dr Chinese hoax is a direct quote from our POTUS on the subject matter we are 'debating' in this topic hence why it was used in the title. Other than that I agree with you wholeheartedly. [COLOR="Silver"]

Ah, I see. I just hate anyone repeating that man because it spreads his nonsense and people will believe a contrarian no matter how ridiculous it is.

I'm with you -- it definitely can, and likely will without direct action IMMEDIATELY, hit a point where it's too late to return. We are already seeing drastic changes to environments -- rising sea levels affecting coastal areas, more vivid weather patterns and more strong storms... not to mention, once all the trash and air pollution is all out there, it's significantly harder to remove than to prevent.

US policymakers already assume it's too late and refuse to do anything, but I think that ties more into not wanting to lose out on money and wanting to continue to exploit anybody and anything they can. They'll make up ridiculous things like a plastic straw ban and have everyone feeling good as if they did something. Big corps LOVE to make it seem like it's up to individuals to reduce emissions - "hey, good job for carpooling!" "be sure to separate your papers and your plastics!" "eat our product with less packaging!" while avoiding the fact that it's a very small handful of people that are fully responsible for the damages done to our planet.

[jack35999]

I think the reason I say that I don't believe it'll ever be too late to fix the damage is that people will use that as an excuse for inaction when there's still a chance. I can see policy makers saying such and such scientific authority said we already passed the tipping point, why spend money to try and undo something we can't stop.