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Thread: Donald Trump's Banning Transgender People From Serving - Right or Wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by haiqtpi View Post
    If viagra is covered for veterans, whatever transgender service members require should be supplied. We are talking about such a small portion of the population, the cost is irrelevant. The reasoning given by the white house is idiotic--not only have congressional hearings suggested otherwise, but the countries allowing open transgender service members have as well. If the fucking Israeli armed forced allows this, then there is no reason for us not to. These people are in a constant state of warfare, if it hasn't fucked their shit up, I think that we will be JUUUUUSST fine--consider it tested and passed. This is about marginalizing, and the thing is, we as a country need to stick together and have everyone's back. The erosion of rights for even the smallest minority is very dangerous, for the rest of us, because we are all minorities in some sense of the word.

    Also, @(you need an account to see links): "However, transgender people or those who identify as such and are on hormones are 100% dependant on those hormones to be the gender they identify with, and the risk of being unable to access these medications is high."

    This is incorrect on a few levels. They do not require hormones to be the gender that they identify with--they ARE that gender, and are simply looking for physical characteristics, partially in an attempt to seek more acceptance from society because they think that physical qualities define gender--idiotic if you ask me--if Angelina Jolie has her breasts removed, is she still a woman? What about males born without penises, or with deformities?

    With regards to your statement regarding access to medication--if other countries have not seen big issues with this, then I think that we are fine. I once again point to the Israeli armed forces.
    I was actually talking about those who DO take hormones, which is what I said in the bit you quoted if you actually read it.. and it's none of this is about society, or people without breasts, penises, and deformities. Someone dependant on medication no matter what the medication is for may not be able to access that medication when deployed in the middle of buttfuck nowhere which is, unfortunately, a problem for everyone. I'm aware why they take medication.

    And for the last bit, I'm not even American. So whoever Trump allows or doesn't allow into his military doesn't matter to me, because Trudeau leads my country, and therefore I'm not part of the "we" you speak of. But thanks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarot View Post
    I was actually talking about those who DO take hormones, which is what I said in the bit you quoted if you actually read it.. and it's none of this is about society, or people without breasts, penises, and deformities. Someone dependant on medication no matter what the medication is for may not be able to access that medication when deployed in the middle of buttfuck nowhere which is, unfortunately, a problem for everyone. I'm aware why they take medication.

    And for the last bit, I'm not even American. So whoever Trump allows or doesn't allow into his military doesn't matter to me, because Trudeau leads my country, and therefore I'm not part of the "we" you speak of. But thanks.
    LOL Your attempt to engage in a logic spar with me will leave your pride sorely bruised. The fact that one takes medication is no reason to exclude them from military service...and while I see no reason to further entertain that argument, I will merely point out that this medication is not life or death for said soldiers...so what exactly IS your point about their consumption of hormones?

    Your whole snark/attack on my use of the word "we" is nonsense (at best), and you know it (though the weakness of your argument makes it clear that you are merely grasping at straws, and that is ok--no need to do that, we are all friends here ). It was merely a pluralism of myself and fellow countrymen (since that is what the thread is about...), so I am baffled why you would even try to make this about me speaking for you as an individual lul
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    I personally think it's wrong, I think if you want risk your life for our country props to you. Doesn't matter that you are transgender.


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    Quote Originally Posted by haiqtpi View Post
    LOL Your attempt to engage in a logic spar with me will leave your pride sorely bruised. The fact that one takes medication is no reason to exclude them from military service...and while I see no reason to further entertain that argument, I will merely point out that this medication is not life or death for said soldiers...so what exactly IS your point about their consumption of hormones?

    Your whole snark/attack on my use of the word "we" is nonsense (at best), and you know it (though the weakness of your argument makes it clear that you are merely grasping at straws, and that is ok--no need to do that, we are all friends here ). It was merely a pluralism of myself and fellow countrymen (since that is what the thread is about...), so I am baffled why you would even try to make this about me speaking for you as an individual lul
    I wasn't making it about me as an individual...I was only saying I just don't apply to the "countrymen" you speak of. I'm not grasping at straws either..just my opinion, like your "logic" (if it is that, seems to be rather emotionally based - that doesn't scream logic to me) is your opinion.

    And before I go as I've lost interest on this topic days before, you would never bruise my pride sweetheart. I have a little more self respect than that. I hope you have a great day ��


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