Bullied Student, expelled for defending himself

[Ronith]

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I think its wrong that he used a stun gun, and worse that his parents gave it to him. On the flipside, he did finally defend himself. And the bully did deserve it.

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[Aeires]

I think the last paragraph sums it up pretty well the school didn't do anything to help the kid out and instead asked him to change who he was by toning down his accessories so maybe kids wouldn't bully him as much when they should have actually done something. When I was in school as soon a crowd drew even if it was 10 kids there was always a teacher there investigating. I think they did the right thing expelling him cause he did have the weapon but they should have consequences for the bullies themselves as well.

[Lauren]

I don't think he did anything wrong, he shot the stun gun in the air for self defense, not to use it on anybody else. He should get into some trouble for taking any type of gun to school but I don't think he should be expelled.

[Mouse]

I have been kicked off schools myself in the past, for defending myself when getting bullied or threatened. Schools suck. They just don't give a shit about the children at all.

[kariyuki]

Sure bringing weapons into school is wrong, but honestly some schools just don't listen, and a person can only take so much. I happy i'm reading a story like this one compared to a story in which a bullied child takes his or her life.

[Ronith]

If you can't handle bullying, the real word isn't going to be any better....

[bc.m]

I think they're just following their school's rules and regulation. By that, I mean not bringing any sort of weapons in school grounds... but yes, they should have done something to help this kid... the bullies should be expelled as well. If the kid has resorted to using a stun gun, that should have been some really nasty bullying done.

[Lauren]

Kids can be SO MEAN though, and adolescents are way more prone to getting depressed over it than an adult. I was WAY more sensitive to people making fun of me even 5 years ago than now, now I don't care at all, but then.. It's different. Certain things feel like the end of the world, it's why kids commit suicide over things that are completely temporary.

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[Sneakz]

I think they were absolutely right to expel him. Something as serious as bringing a weapon to school should have a zero tolerance policy. Put yourself in the shoes of the school officials - what if this was a real gun? What if he DID actually intend to kill people and this ended up as another Columbine? That's a very scary thought, especially if you are a parent of another child at the school. If they hadn't expelled him, I would bet a LOT of parents would protest to have him kicked out. He exhibited dangerous behavior, whether that behavior was defensive or retaliatory, it doesn't matter when it comes to the safety of the other children.
However, I do think that school officials should take this incident as an eye-opener about school bullying against gays and lesbians and take this opportunity to make changes that will protect its students that are being bullied.

[Ophelia]

I'm sure the bully deserved it, but why not spend the stun gun $$ and buy a hidden camera? Then you'd have solid evidence for a lawsuit.

[Ronith]

I'm sure the bully deserved it, but why not spend the stun gun $$ and buy a hidden camera? Then you'd have solid evidence for a lawsuit.

Someone bullies you......and now you wanna sue them? Shoulda paid for some lessons to defend himself.

OhAmerica.....the land of frivolous lawsuits.

[jackingskibf]

same thing happened to me kinda? this kid was bullying me calling me the "N" word every day, because im white black mexican and irish. got annoying after a while so i told the teacher nd yea he got kicked out. aha i was so close to punching him in the face

[Lauren]

I don't think you can sue somebody for bullying especially a minor. :P If the teachers were bullying it'd be a little different...

[Ophelia]

OhAmerica.....the land of frivolous lawsuits.
*cough* Canadian
Sorry, "lawsuit' wasn't the word I was looking for, rather arrest his ass, Although that was a nice suggestion.

[caonima]

How about instead of buying a stun gun, he can learn some martial arts and defend himself.
A gun only gives a man fake feeling that he is powerful. Once the gun is gone, without any training in self defence, anybody is subjected to abuse.

[Tom]

Granted there was a group surrounding him & it was not his intention to harm any of them.
Why can't people just grow the fuck up and leave the kid alone..

[Khelddar]

I think he deserves it (also want to stir up some debating), getting expelled. If he feels helpless get some self defense or MMA lessons, then if they hit you first unleash some rage on their ass, you don't get in to much trouble if you defend yourself after being hit first.

If you think its fine to defend yourself before being attack i think your wrong.
What do i define as being attack, already being hit or them in the motion of attack you.

If you teach kids it's fine to take preemptive strikes to "protect yourself" what to stop people from carry around guns and knives (yes legal in the US, not legal in Australia without a license) and shoot/stabbing people walking towards them because they think their going to be attacked?

I know some people will have different options so let me hear them and ill get back to them ASAP which is pretty slowly now days

[Jubjubb]

Some kids can be so mean.

[Crazyboned]

School rules are "amazing"
Back in school you are allowed to used self-defense only when when your coughing up blood, on the floor and the assaulter is attempting to curb stomp you

[ShadowCreature]

Good on the kid for sticking up for himself, bravo, instead of shooting it in the air he should have shot one in the head, that would make for good reading :P

I have been stabbed/knocked out and worse when i was at school, school never cared that i was getting picked on

The only retribution i got was when i got in a lucky swing and ripped one of the bullies checks.... that was a good day

Anyway, the schools need to take this shit more seriously, i took a craft knife to school everyday just waiting for the time that i would have to use it to defend myself, these teachers and schools think shit is fine as long as no one dies

I got bullied and it made me a better person, i know what its like to be hurt so im kind to almost everyone

[Love]

Stun gun - used for defending.

It's the school's responsibility that no bullying takes place(utopia), their fault that this happened and seriously can be avoided.
On another note, the one bullied was defending himself. There's a law that says that you can defend yourself right :)

[Nath]

He should not be punished and he should be applauded. People can only be pushed so far.

His methods are a little over the top. His mother and fathers' parenting skills should be brought into question. "Here son take this gun to school"....bit mad really.

[CeaseWorld]

I vote he shouldn't be punished.
As stated before, it's the school's responsibility to take care of the bullies, and it's somewhat sick to me that the school only starts to care once the weaker one fights back.

I think the school should be punished, instead of the kid who was defending himself.

[Sneakz]

I vote he shouldn't be punished.
As stated before, it's the school's responsibility to take care of the bullies, and it's somewhat sick to me that the school only starts to care once the weaker one fights back.

I think the school should be punished, instead of the kid who was defending himself.

They started to care because a weapon became involved. When it comes down to emotional harm vs physical harm, yes they are obligated to take the threat of physical harm MUCH more seriously. He should be punished. The bully was also in the wrong, but think about if you were a parent of a child who went to that school. If they let a kid bring a weapon to school and go completely unpunished, I would fear for the safety of my own child. There are bullies in history (ahem, Columbine) who came back and shot not only the bullies, but also innocent people. They have to look out for the safety of everyone, and someone bringing a weapon is a very serious concern. They should look into the bullying situation, yes, but I don't think the school board should be scrutinized at all for taking action when a weapon became involved.

[Nath]

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He should have just done this

[ri0tc0re]

I completely get where he was coming from as a bullied student trying to defend himself (I haven't really been bullied, but I've been put in the situation where something against the rules seems rational), but at the same time, any amount of logic in his head should have said he'd be expelled. In Florida, it's a Class B weapon and can get you expelled just for carrying one on you on school property (in school or not).

My point is, he should have found another way to deal with the situation. His 'method' worked, but you can't really blame the school for its decision. I mean they might have disregarded the bullying or mishandled it, but that doesn't equate to carrying a firearm (A stungun IS a firearm) that can get you in trouble into a school, especially discharging it.

[Brady]

I think the teachers and administrators should have done something before it got to the point where he felt like he had to bring a stun gun to school and use it to defend himself. I think they're right in expelling him seeing as how it's a crime to carry any type of weapon in a public school anywhere in the US, but I can understand why he didn't. My question is why it was allowed to escalate to that point. If the parents knew, then why didn't they talk to the faculty? If the faculty knew, why didn't they do something to stop the bullying?

[Spurs]

Schools don't tend to give a shit about bullying and stuff unless it comes to a situation like this, where the school is directly involved and could face consequences e.g. if the bullies' parents decided to file a lawsuit about the school allowing weapons and how their kid was hurt during school-time when they're meant to be protected.

There's a similar situation at my uni at the moment - this group of absolutely arrogant tossers are bullying a kid who can't and won't fight back, but if anyone gets involved and beats up this bully (which I want to, he picks on small, weak kids and I'm not one of them lol) we'd be thrown out for violence, aggressive behaviour etc. The kid won't even go to the Uni to sort it out, so they just turn a blind eye to it all, and when the bully does it, he claims it's all 'banter' and just a joke, when it really bugs this kid. It pisses me off, but I'm glad this dude tried to protect himself and stand up for himself, and I think this should be given special treatment because expulsion is harsh based on the fact he was bullied all the time.

[ri0tc0re]

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He should have just done this


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This video makes me laugh every time I see it, mostly because of the music reference.

[13800038]

Wow, gay people are like popular at my school XD I didn't know that people get bullied for that.

[Bettser]

Wow, gay people are like popular at my school XD I didn't know that people get bullied for that.

I have seen this before. To be honest, my school was horrible. I know of one of two guys who were actually teased so much they left my school as well. One lesbian girl became an outcast and she was like really pretty o.o She played into it with the dying of her hair black and such though. I was never part of these acts, and I was even friends with the lesbian girl, but its so sad this shit still happens lol.

[13800038]

I have seen this before. To be honest, my school was horrible. I know of one of two guys who were actually teased so much they left my school as well. One lesbian girl became an outcast and she was like really pretty o.o She played into it with the dying of her hair black and such though. I was never part of these acts, and I was even friends with the lesbian girl, but its so sad this shit still happens lol.

Wow! I never seen this happen, in my school the gay guys are popular and there is not lesbians :P Nice to know the gays are liked here.

[Nath]

Wow! I never seen this happen, in my school the gay guys are popular and there is not lesbians :P Nice to know the gays are liked here.

I guess views on sexuality vary depending on where you are and what the area you live in is like.

A lot of religious areas would frown on homosexuality as would a lot of other places around the world.

Personally I have no problem with gay people but people are entitled to their views as long as they're not hurting people!

[Death]

Warning shot or not, who the fuck fires stun gun into the air, and who runs from someone shooting a stun gun in the air? You had better have a second shot with that thing, and be trained how to use it, or even just bringing it out is gonna get your ass kicked or killed. Who's to say the kids bullying this kid didn't have an ACTUAL gun?

Props to the parent for wanting their kid to defend himself, but damn. Teach him how to do it properly.

[13800038]

Shoulda used pepper spray though :P hurts more XD

[Ksychic]

In my eyes, he's a hero to other kids being bullied because it shows that anyone can stand up for themselves, and maybe his method was wrong but nobody should tolerate bullies.

[redfeeniks]

I feel sorry for the guy but he DOES deserve to be expelled, he was bullied for weeks? he should have taken the matter to school authority.. I mean really are you gonna start being Batman? without even first trying to play by the rules? The school did the right thing, He shot stun gun in the air tomorrow someone is gonna shoot somebody in the head.

[winston_tiu]

It's another funny case.. It is funny because of the laws created by the people. Anti-child abuse, the school has to stand in the neutral zone where they will not be sued, they also stand in the no violence zone, but since they can't control the kids because of the law. They choose to persecute the "Justifiable" act. As far as I know there is no anti-bully law XD...