Dont allow to sell pincrack services

[DarkAngel]

There are many reasons that have been talked a lot of times, so theres no point on saying them all.

[Kylae]

Well, some of us don't know these reasons, especially if they were talked about on HB which some of us didn't come from. The funny thing is, my coworker just told me I should throw the service on my thread since it seems so lucrative, but I didn't want to get into it because I noticed that EVERYONE has pin cracking at $15 and they must all know about some flat rate minimum thing that I don't know about cause no one's undercutting anyone, lol.

[Nodochi]

Lol, speaking for anyone who comes from HB, pincracking and all manners of account cracking, etc, all have been fairly mainstream.

There is no taboo against it here, and I doubt there ever will be, with Joe running the place.

[Ben]

I'd say bring it up to Joe. He's the master of this neo trading section. If he doesn't agree with it, then I'll comply with them. If he doesn't, then I guess it's fair game in this case.

[Kristin]

@Kylae - we were required to sell pin cracking for a minimum of $15 on HB because people were devaluing the price. Like, birthday cracking used to cost a lot more, but people kept offering it cheaper and cheaper so now it's like $0.10.

@DarkAngel - I'm curious as to what reasons you have against selling pin cracking services?

[Kylae]

His, and don't be rude. :P

[DarkAngel]

Not sure if serious, but what Ben said, I agree.


Reasons:

-Deflate NPs. Paying $10-15 per account and you get millions of NPs. Pincrack is the main reason to NPs to be at $2. Before it, they were $3-4
-This only and ONLY means that guys cant keep a secret. It started with 5 persons knowing it, now half cheaters know it, and the number will increase.
-The method will be patched if this continues being sold.
-This might damage our prestige. A forum made by Joe that allows to sell secret stuff like this... Well, really?

These are my main 4 reasons, but there might be more.

Anyways, this is Joe's forum, and I agree with all what he says is right. At the end, its his choice, but I just wanted to make a suggestion.


It's a serious thread, and also a serious section, considerating that this site is under construction, so Meitedlce, save your immature jokes for another section, please.

[Kristin]

I understand your reasoning, but that's why you're not supposed to sell the method. If no one sells the service, how will people get accounts pin cracked?

[DarkAngel]

I understand your reasoning, but that's why you're not supposed to sell the method. If no one sells the service, how will people get accounts pin cracked?

Thats it.

With more ppl getting pincracked acts, the supply of NPs increases, and decreases the value, and also increases the risk of this being patched.

Imo, if this dont get stopped, it will end same as item gen

[kooldude888]

i understand where your coming from now. after rethinking it i am going to take it out of my selling thread because i kinda sorta agree with you. i never thought of that, how it decreases the value of neopoints. thats a very good point

[Nodochi]

If you're going to start here, then you need to stop the sale of cracked/stolen accounts as well, becuase its the exact reason you would need pin cracking in the first place. If you don't want to devalue the NP rate, then the first thing that needs to go is the sale of stolen/hashed/cracked accounts, not pin cracking.

[DarkAngel]

That would fuck up the market in general.


This is not only for the NP value, is mostly about the method

[Nodochi]

You realize how hypocritical you're being? You can't have one without the other.

You're either like neocodex, where none of its allowed, or you're like HB/Darkstarz, where all of its allowed.

Of course selling the METHOD is wrong, but selling the service is a double edged sword that just comes with selling stolen accounts.

Before stolen accounts were around, np was easily 1mil : 10 USD, but I didn't see you complaining then.

[kooldude888]

What I think would be a good idea is since Joe is one of the first people to discover it, if people want to buy the PIN Crack Service than they should have to buy it from him and nobody else. Therefore only one person is giving out the service and everyone who currently knows how to do it can just do it for themselves

[Mike]

Should definitely keep selling Pin Cracking, there's new people whom want to get into buying Active accounts, then they'll need Pin Cracking.
I'd definitely say no to selling the Pin Cracking Method, if they continue selling it... It just ruins everything, the methods, seen sell at $5-20 range.
Most people already have the method, so no one really needs pin cracking. That's the problem...

[Miguel]

IMO: If pin cracking is to be banned here, so should selling cracked/stolen/hash accounts (well, I don't really agree with selling stolen accounts anyways). But whatever Joe decides I'll comply with

[Kristin]

Joe would never ban selling active/stolen accounts because of his lists.

[Cassie]

Even if the method was banned, like it was on HB, some people still secretly sold it through pms.

That's something to consider if that were to happen^

[Kristin]

There's no way to stop people from secretly selling the method. It's going to happen regardless.

[DarkAngel]

Well, I've said what I had to say and I wont complain anymore.

Left is on Joe's hands.

[I_royalty_I]

Kind of a touchy subject.

Everyone will say that it is everyone else's fault that it's so mainstream. But everybody wants more money and wants prices to go back up.
I was told by somebody who was one of the original people who found out, and I'm proud to say I didn't tell a single person how to do it.
There are people who will say they won't tell, or they didn't tell, but half of those people are lying.
It's just everyone trying to get the upperhand, and I don't see why pin cracking should be barred.

If ALL the sellers decided not to do it anymore, then it would just be taken to MSN or PM's and still happen. No sense in keeping it out of here. Just gotta keep it regulated, so that people aren't undercutting each other, and that people aren't selling the actual method.

[DarkAngel]

Yeah, but the number would decrease


If you dont advertise it, ppl wont know that you know how to do it/are selling it.

You get my point andrew? :P

But w/e you guys want, looks like nobody cares about it

[I_royalty_I]

Well from the start I tried to keep it as quiet as possible.
But people saw to it to keep posting about it and making it known..
Eventually I just gave up because it was futile.

I do get your point, but it is a bit too late now to do anything about it honestly. =\

[Rainbowpie]

This is actually kind of an interesting subject - especially since Neopets refuses to admit the method exists at all. How can you say the method doesn't exist when crackers regularly sell the service for .10 a pop? Not just regularly, but reliably. I know people who've attempted to communicate with Neopets on the subject they were not only ignored, but THEY were frozen as if that would somehow stop the problem. The fact is, if TNT got their head out of their asses and fixed the issue this wouldn't be the problem that it is.
Not that I'm saying that pin cracking is good or bad here, but if Neopets doesn't want to protect it's users than you kind of have to assume it's fair game.

[DarkAngel]

If we say that to everything that happens, everything would worst...

[I_royalty_I]

Well it's not like nobody has tried to get people to stop talking about it.
We have, trust me.

But nobody wants to listen, because everybody is curious and wants to know.
I don't blame them.

But when people keep asking, sooner or later, somebody /legit/ will find out and tell TNT and things will get patched.
People just suck at keeping secrets, and don't know a good thing when they see them.

[j03]

In my opinion I could care less of what the price is. It's an exploit that is so openly talked about that if TNT keeps lurking these forums and finding out how it's done then you all are screwed on getting items, pets and shit from accounts. I only keep the price at minimum $15 because np would deflate if it's less. Everyone knows about it, so why not just talk about it within each other than to post publicly about it all the time? Back in the day if me and a friend found out how to duplicate items we would keep it to ourselves and ??? Profit. Not sell it as a service to people which leads to others finding out how..

/facepalm

[Harry Potter]

Not sure if serious, but what Ben said, I agree.


Reasons:

-Deflate NPs. Paying $10-15 per account and you get millions of NPs. Pincrack is the main reason to NPs to be at $2. Before it, they were $3-4
-This only and ONLY means that guys cant keep a secret. It started with 5 persons knowing it, now half cheaters know it, and the number will increase.
-The method will be patched if this continues being sold.
-This might damage our prestige. A forum made by Joe that allows to sell secret stuff like this... Well, really?

These are my main 4 reasons, but there might be more.

Anyways, this is Joe's forum, and I agree with all what he says is right. At the end, its his choice, but I just wanted to make a suggestion.


It's a serious thread, and also a serious section, considerating that this site is under construction, so Meitedlce, save your immature jokes for another section, please.

Im sorry, but that is a horrible argument, blaming pin cracking on the deflation of nps? You can blame the ever increasing market of sellers cheating and making easy nps off abers, stolen accounts and w.e. You cannot solely blame pin cracking. When I joined the cheating community like a year ago the price of nps to usd was 1mil for 6dollars. I have watched that price slowly drop as more and more people got into the cheating scene and started buying and selling nps. Nps were at $2 before the pin crack method became widely known. It is an ever expanding market and there are more sellers then buyers.

idk about people keeping a secret, no one can keep a secret. And if the method gets patched what can you do? It will get patched sooner or later.

As for the damage to our prestige? A forum made by joe that allows to sell secret stuff like this? lol it is a CHEATING site, what else do you expect to sell? cookies? Everyone here sells things from stolen active accounts to "legit" nps.

You cant ban people from selling pin cracks here, they will just go to another site. You can try and moderate the price and try and stop people from selling the method but thats it.

Don't try and stop people from selling pin cracks if you arent gonna tell them to stop cheating all together.

[Nodochi]

I just want to say that Signature made your post 10x more awesome.

[Slasher]

Draik and krawk tp used to be 3m when I started playing and before the shore they were around 15-17m. A lot of items are getting more expensive, like in real life. I don't think that ban pin cracking would solve the nps deflation. Selling the method could, so keep it for yourself and be happy with every 15$ you can get with it :)

[Harry Potter]

I just want to say that Signature made your post 10x more awesome.

Aww yeaaaa (;

[GTO]

I think we should stop selling the method...that's my only opinion on it. The more we tell people, the more chances we have of TNT finding out. I find it hard to believe they haven't noticed though! How long was item genning around before they found it?

[DarkAngel]

Well, as Joe said, the only thing that we'll control is the price, it has a minimum of $15.

So I guess, thread over