Originally Posted by Drizzy
See, that's the thing about free speech. It's words. And when you try to restrict someone's speech (It's actions that are the problem, the violence.) you give power to those words, you give power to that speech by trying to restrict them, and silence them. Now, I don't think it's right. I think it's pretty fucked up to hate another group of people. But free speech literally gives them the right to say and feel the way that they do. And if you restrict someone's speech then you're open game for literally anyone to restrict anything they don't like. That's not a society I want to live in. Violence isn't verbal. Violence is physical. You can't equate free speech to violence because words literally are not violent. You cannot hit someone for saying words. That makes you the aggressor in the situation, you cannot physically harm people for saying things unless they're literally physically harming another group of people. You want to know the best way to invalidate these people? Pay them literally no mind, none. Don't give them any sort of reaction and they'll either learn to stop being a fuckhead about it, or keep it to themselves.i like free speech, but being a nazi and spouting hate isnt free speech, its being hateful and violent
The only real exclusion to this is threatening violence on other people. And I mean serious threats, like "I'm going to bomb this place" or "we're going to shoot this place up because it has x group of people in it" In which case they should be stopped before violence happens. That is a case of self defense and protecting the population. And that is not exclusively what antifa is doing. That is the responsibility of the government and law enforcement agencies. Which, believe it or not, threats like these are a serious crime. And they will be dealt with.
You literally ignored the point. What defines a Nazi? Because these people are just calling whoever they want a nazi. To the point of attacking their own people. But Okay let's entirely ignore that point. I literally said /actual/ nazis are in the wrong here. That's not up for debate at all in any way. Nazi's are wrong, evil, and generally condemned by society. Hating a group of people just for existing is wrong. And that applies to both sides of the coin. Supporting antifa is literally hypocritical. You're supporting people who advocate violence against anyone THEY (key word here.) deem to be a problem in society. Often times these aren't even accurate accusations. Causing riots because you don't like nazi's isn't appropriate when literally only nazis support nazis. I hate any kind of racial supremacy, it only breeds violence. Doesn't matter what you are.if youre a nazi youre not innocent.
But again I bring up the point that if you're talking about the right as a whole. You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. You're judging an entire group of people based on the bad ones in it. I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you don't like when people accuse all muslims of terrorism right? Because let's face it. Not all of them are. There's some good people who are muslims. Same logic applies to the right. Just because there's nazis and bad people committing hate crimes doesn't mean everyone on the right supports that.
I never said they weren't. I never said they were in the right either, in fact they're extremely wrong to be doing the exact same thing. But you know the saying 'two wrongs don't make a right'? That applies here. Just because someone did something horrible does not give you the excuse to follow suit. Most of my point on this was covered above. There's really nothing to debate for this point. Nazi's doing it are in the wrong. And acting violently in public places against people not even involved in 'retaliation' is fucked up. It doesn't matter what your cause is. You cannot go out and do bad things just because other people are doing them.let me remind you that theres plenty videos of nazis acting in the exact same way.
