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    I couldn't find a spanish book. I PMd you a link though that might help

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    Lol what? Spanish book? :p

    Okay I'll check it out

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    My friend let me borrow it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bammeh View Post
    My friend let me borrow it
    My hatchling has wings
    If he's a hater
    is he a haterling?

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    @(you need an account to see links) I couldn't find the text for it, but I hope this helps... Looks like it would be a good read also


    Part of the Group: “Brownies”
    Subject and object, active and passive, observer and participant, knower and known -- these
    reversible complementarities have structured the psychoanalytic relationship. (Benjamin xiv)
    Jessica Benjamin’s statement about the psychoanalytic relationship also fits the patterns
    of relationship in Packer’s story “Brownies.” Here, opposites produce a story that is rich in
    tensions revolving around the issue of community. Laurel, the narrator, struggles with her place
    in her Brownie troop. While she treasures her place within the small community, she questions
    much of what goes on. In her relationships with the rest of the troop, she is both subject and
    object. She is a member of the group who plots to attack another troop and she is also the object
    of her own troop members’ jokes. She is both active and passive in her relationships. She
    passively joins the activities of the group and goes along with their actions so she is not isolated
    by the girls. She actively tries to separate from Octavia and Arnetta, the aggressive leaders of
    the group, by trying to connect with Daphne, the troop’s most introspective member. Laurel
    observes as Octavia and Arnetta rile the other girls to action against Troop 909, and she is forced
    to participate in the nighttime excursion to ambush the opposing troop. Laurel is indeed both
    subject and object, active and passive, observer and participant, as she struggles to find her way
    among these competing positions.
    Laurel narrates the story of her Brownie troop and their run-in with Troop 909 at an
    overnight camping trip at Camp Crescendo. The story’s opening lines emphasize the sense of
    community among the girls: “by our second day at Camp Crescendo, the girls in my Brownie
    troop had decided to kick the asses of each and every girl in Brownie Troop 909” (1). After just
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    two days at camp, Laurel’s Brownie troop has formed a solid and unwavering opinion about
    Troop 909. Their sense of togetherness makes them all act in unison, agreeing to the proposed
    attack. While two girls, Octavia and Arnetta, lead the pack, the rest of the girls follow suit
    quickly and unquestioningly. Their connection with the rest of the troop is too important for
    them to consider questioning their leaders.
    Race is an important trope in this story, as in all of Packer’s stories. Troop 909 is a white
    troop and Laurel’s troop is black. Racial difference and the experience of exclusion lie at the
    heart of the girls’ insecurities and the tensions that ensue among them and with outsiders. The
    girls in Laurel’s troop feel they need to protect themselves against Troop 909, even though they
    have had no real indication that the white girls pose a threat. The girls of Laurel’s troop have
    decided to “kick the asses” of Troop 909 because of Arnetta’s unconfirmed claim that “she’d
    heard one of the Troop 909 girls call Daphne a nigger” (5). Daphne, the quiet and reserved girl
    of the group, does not confirm or deny Arnetta’s claim about the name-calling by Troop 909.
    She simply says nothing, isolating herself from the discussion in which she is the main subject,
    and lets Arnetta and Octavia decide how they are going to handle the predicament. The other
    girls never question Arnetta’s claims and agree the Troop 909 girls need to be taught a lesson.
    Their total acquiescence in this decision speaks to their strong need to remain united in their
    community. The girls have a compelling need to find strength in their own community and to
    guard that community against all outsiders. The girls’ sense of community causes them to isolate
    themselves from outsiders. Their sense of trust in one another, while superficial, allows them a
    sense of security from outside threats.
    Their lives at home reinforce this exclusivity as the girls are marginalized within their
    home communities. The white world that exists just blocks away keeps them at a distance:
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    “when you lived in the south suburbs of Atlanta, it was easy to forget about whites” (5). Their
    marginalized and segregated lives have taught them that to be a separate community is a good
    thing; by being separate from the white world, which depicts some kind of perfection, they are
    able to form their own tight-knit community. This racial separation also prompts the girls to
    guard their community against any outside penetration.
    When the girls are confronted with the presence of the white Troop 909 at Camp
    Crescendo, they automatically view them as invaders. Even though the girls have no real
    territory to claim at Camp Crescendo, they see it as their space and any white person who
    appears is automatically an outsider (5). Part of the issue between the white girls and the black
    girls is that, for Laurel’s troop, white girls are a rare sight. Even when they first come across the
    Troop 909 girls, Laurel expresses a sense of wonder and her own distance from the white girls:
    “We’d seen them, but from afar, never within their orbit enough to see whether their faces were
    the way all white girls appeared on TV -- pony tailed and full of energy, bubbling over with love
    and money” (7). Laurel expects these stereotypes to be confirmed once she and her friends get
    physically closer to Troop 909. She is also expressing the sense of exclusion that her group
    routinely experiences because of race. She and her friends are separated from others because
    they are black:
    everyone had been to Rich’s to go clothes shopping, everyone had seen white girls and
    their mothers coo-cooing over dresses; everyone had gone to the downtown library and
    seen white businessmen swish by importantly, wrists flexed in front of them to check the
    time as though they would change from Clark Kent into Superman at any second. (5)
    Clearly, Laurel and her friends have a media-based vision of white people and that imaginary
    vision threatens them because it signifies what they think are unattainable goals. As a result,
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    Laurel’s troop bristles against the appearance of Troop 909 even before they actually meet.
    Even though Laurel is a part of her troop and her race, she struggles to define her
    individuality by separating herself from the troop. Daphne seems to have already accomplished
    this so Laurel has a sense of reverence for her. Laurel desperately wants to connect to Daphne
    because of her individuality and a poem she wrote that obtained a lot of praise: “I thought
    Daphne and I might become friends, but I think she grew spooked by me whispering those lines
    [from her poem] to her, begging her to tell me what they meant, and I soon understood that two
    quiet people like us were better off alone” (7). Daphne isolates herself to maintain autonomy
    and Laurel finds that perhaps she should do the same instead of relying on the rest of the troop
    for her sense of self. Nevertheless, Laurel yearns for connection to someone who can offer her a
    genuine relationship, something her relationships with the other girls lack.
    Even though she yearns for individuality, Laurel needs to be included in the group and to
    feel like part of the community. While her need for community prompts her to stay in the group,
    she still asserts her independence. She shows her separation through her declaration that she
    likes the Brownie songs the rest of the troop hates to sing. There is, however, one song that
    Laurel dislikes as much as the other girls and that song goes, “Make new friends/But keep the oold,/
    One is silver/And the other gold” (17-18). Laurel’s dislike for this song indicates her dislike
    for her troop mates: “if most of the girls in the troop could be any type of metal, they’d be
    bunched-up wads of tinfoil, maybe, or rusty iron nails you had to get tetanus shots for” (18).
    Laurel obviously doesn’t like her troop mates but she remains in their company because of her
    fear of isolation. Even though her need for individuality pushes her to show her difference from
    her troop mates and she wholeheartedly disagrees with them on numerous points, her need for
    community makes her continue her involvement.
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    The girls have formed unique signifiers of their closeness and of the importance of their
    relationships. For example, their use of words that they can hardly understand, let alone spell,
    speaks to their need for a common thread to tie them together: “trisyllabic words had gained a
    sort of exoticism within our fourth-grade set at Woodrow Wilson Elementary” (3). Words such
    as “Chihuahua,” “Caucasian,” and “asinine” are threaded into the girls’ conversations in an
    attempt to separate themselves and establish their superiority over the rest of the school, and to
    address their sense of separation from the white world. The girls instinctively look upon any
    white person in the vicinity as an intruder. At their school, for instance, there is one white boy
    and Laurel’s mention of him is less than welcoming: “Even the only white kid in our school,
    Dennis, got in on the Caucasian act” (4). She expresses a lack of respect for Dennis and his
    attempts to include himself in their community by using the special term her girlfriends coined
    for use as an insult. The girls, then, react in an expected negative manner towards the group of
    white Brownies who have invaded their space at camp.
    When Laurel’s troop finally finds the opportunity to confront Troop 909 about the
    alleged name-calling, Laurel does not want to join the group; she wants to stay with Daphne.
    Arnetta, however, will not stand for this and tells Laurel, whose nickname is “Snot,” that she will
    not let her stay behind: “No, Snot. If we get in trouble, you’re going to get in trouble with the
    rest of us” (21). Laurel has no choice but to participate: either she isolates herself from the group
    and risks losing her place in the community or she goes along with the plan and joins the rest of
    the girls, reaffirming her inclusion. She chooses the latter. On the way to the bathroom, where
    they plan on confronting Troop 909, Laurel finally feels connected to the rest of the girls: “Even
    though I didn’t fight to fight, was afraid of fighting, I felt I was part of the rest of the troop; like I
    was defending something” (22). Laurel, in this moment, feels as though she really is part of the
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    Brownie troop community. She feels she is defending not only Daphne but her whole
    community by participating.
    Inside the bathroom, Octavia and Arnetta confront Troop 909. Laurel’s friends quickly
    see that the Troop 909 girls are mentally disabled and that they are a very tight-knit community.
    The Troop 909 girls instinctively flock together to form a cohesive group that protects them
    against attack. They have an understanding about the protection and support that community can
    offer the individual. Laurel’s group is surprised by the apparent disability of Troop 909. Troop
    909’s ability to stick together, however, speaks to Laurel’s group’s own dissatisfaction with the
    interactions within their own group and they quickly abandon their plan.
    On the way home from Camp Crescendo, Laurel and Daphne share a moment of genuine
    connection: Daphne gives Laurel the journal she won for the poem Laurel admires so much.
    This small but significant gesture shows a glimmer of the connection between Laurel and
    Daphne. They both have found their individuality and struggle to maintain that individuality
    while still being a part of the group. During this trip, Laurel has reconfirmed her place within the
    troop community but has also separated herself from it through her interaction with Daphne. The
    girls talk about the Troop 909 incident and realize that, even though they were at camp with
    white girls, they were still very much isolated from the rest of society because the Troop 909
    girls were mentally retarded. They recognize their own marginalization within society when
    they discuss they way other people stare at them in public places. Arnetta says, “My mama and I
    were in the mall in Buckhead, and this white lady just kept looking at us. I mean, like we were
    foreign or something. Like we were from China” (28). The racial exclusion that each girl
    encounters on an individual level strengthens their ties to each other. They all experience the
    same prejudices and are bound together in their anger and pain.
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    Laurel conveys her own story in which her father asks a family of Mennonites to paint
    the porch of their house. At first, the girls tell Laurel to keep quiet, but Daphne speaks for the
    first time in the story and asks Laurel to continue. It is this story that brings Laurel to some
    understanding about race and about her place in community. When the other girls ask Laurel
    why her father asked the Mennonites to paint only the porch and not the whole house, Laurel
    remembers that her father had said that, “it was the only time he’d have a white man on his knees
    doing something for a black man for free” (30). Laurel recognizes that “there was something
    mean in the world that I could not stop” and that racism permeates every person (31). Her
    inclusion in the racial group to which she belongs will always exist, even though she knows
    racial barriers are a societal construct.
    Laurel understands her place in the troop more fully through the tensions between her,
    the others in her troop, and outsiders. In discussing the psychoanalytic relational model, Barbara
    Schapiro states that,
    Conflict is always implied in relatedness. Ambivalence and conflictual passions
    revolving around issues of autonomy and dependence are inevitable in any single
    significant relationship; and conflict is equally unavoidable among the competing claims
    of different significant relationships in one’s life. (Literature and the Relational Self 3)
    Tensions are inevitable in relationship. Laurel yearns to connect to Daphne but Daphne is too
    isolated and, therefore, there is tension for Laurel as she tries to define herself in relation to
    others. Daphne, while part of the group because of the protective actions the rest of the girls
    perform on her behalf, distances herself from the group. Both Daphne and Laurel need
    individual autonomy; Laurel’s tension lies in trying to balance that individualism and being part
    of the group. At the end of the story, Laurel has recognized her need for individuality through
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    her interactions with Daphne and has reaffirmed her need for community by remaining part of
    the troop.

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    That's an "essay" on it. I got the book already, but thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reemer View Post
    My hatchling has wings
    If he's a hater
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    wings = swag.

    swagerling.

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