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    Does prejudice define a person?

    I didn't know where to put this...but basically I was studying for my English exam and Prejudice/Discrimination is one of the main themes of the entire course.

    As I was making notes, I was writing about Portia (from The Merchant of Venice) and how she is so witty, selfless, kind, etc (even other characters call her 'saintly' and 'God given') but she is ultimately racist and therefore immediately rejects Prince Morocco who is black.

    I wrote:

    Prejudice/Discrimination
    Portia reveals that she is ultimately racist against black people, despite her witty and selfless character. This proves that prejudice is very irrelevant to

    ..And then I stopped when I realized I didn't know what it was proving.


    This got me wondering...do you think prejudices are entirely separate from who we are/characters in general? I kinda dont wanna screw up my understanding


    TBH I have no idea how to study for an English exam fuck
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    i've always thought that prejudices were part of a person's character, it doesn't define them, but rather is part of them, and i say part because prejudices can be changed.

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    Prejudices can be changed. I have to admit growing up I was raised to almost fear black people. But then I went to a predominately black high school and became friends with many black folks and hell, I haven't dated a white girl now seriously since 2007. But yeah, it definitely is part of one's character and I cannot stand racists to be honest.

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    Okay, thank you I guess that makes sense. IMO, I think it mostly depends on the severity of how they act on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federation View Post
    Prejudices can be changed. I have to admit growing up I was raised to almost fear black people. But then I went to a predominately black high school and became friends with many black folks and hell, I haven't dated a white girl now seriously since 2007. But yeah, it definitely is part of one's character and I cannot stand racists to be honest.

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    So do you think prejudices are a flaw within the self?



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    Portia reveals that she is ultimately racist against black people, despite her witty and selfless character. Her ignorance regarding black people prove to be her tragic flaw.

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    I don't think prejudices define a person - I think it is their experiences as a person that defines their prejudices.

    Perhaps they've never been fortunate enough to know any better, or perhaps their upbringing renders them incapable of being open minded. A racist isn't necessarily stupid and perhaps can even still be as kind or courteous as Portia supposedly is - but even the most educated of people can still be ignorant and judgmental of other people and other cultures. What of Portia's surroundings? Are the same people who call her saintly and god-given also racist or unfamiliar with foreign customs/people? I can't be sure as I've never read the book, but considering and interpreting that might help you make your point.

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    well i'm a simple man with mostly simple thoughts, one of those thoughts is that every single person on the planet is racist, to an extent.

    that being said, not everyone acts on those prejudices, most ignore them, lie to themselves saying they're not there, etc etc but the way i see things, everyone is prejudiced to a degree/racist to a degree (i know they are 2 different things, but i'm using them interchangeably just for my ramblings)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorn View Post
    I don't think prejudices define a person - I think it is their experiences as a person that defines their prejudices.

    Perhaps they've never been fortunate enough to know any better, or perhaps their upbringing renders them incapable of being open minded. A racist isn't necessarily stupid and perhaps can even still be as kind or courteous as Portia supposedly is - but even the most educated of people can still be ignorant and judgmental of other people and other cultures. What of Portia's surroundings? Are the same people who call her saintly and god-given also racist or unfamiliar with foreign customs/people? I can't be sure as I've never read the book, but considering and interpreting that might help you make your point.
    I'm intrigued by your view on this. I mean that sounds reasonable enough, but would you also agree that there are racists who are racists just because they can be? I mean, I've seen a lot of hate-based actions in school and the outside world that just make me cringe. And you look at these people and there's no good reason in my opinion. Experiences or not.

    I totally get your view though. My step-dad's mom comes to mind. She's a sweet good ol' gal from a small town here in hicksville, Iowa, and she's not openly racist, but behind closed doors she still discriminates, just not to the extent that the type of people I'm talking about take it.. i.e derogatory words, signs, ideas, thoughts, etc.

    @Mint So do you think prejudices are a flaw within the self?
    I think mine specifically was a nurture issue. My mom grew up in the 70's and went to a predominately black school as well, but things aren't the same as they are now. She had bad experiences and educated and told me about them, and that's just the way it was. I had to have my own experiences to change my opinion. Now I just look back and think it's funny how ignorant and misinformed I was.

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    So basically, like, the people who dont act on it/lie to themselves are more 'good' than someone who acts on it, right?
    (I mean...well, yeah- at this point though, I think I'm just coming up with more rhetorical/obvious questions as I feel that some part of this is common sense lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federation View Post
    I'm intrigued by your view on this. I mean that sounds reasonable enough, but would you also agree that there are racists who are racists just because they can be? I mean, I've seen a lot of hate-based actions in school and the outside world that just make me cringe. And you look at these people and there's no good reason in my opinion. Experiences or not.

    I totally get your view though. My step-dad's mom comes to mind. She's a sweet good ol' gal from a small town here in hicksville, Iowa, and she's not openly racist, but behind closed doors she still discriminates, just not to the extent that the type of people I'm talking about take it.. i.e derogatory words, signs, ideas, thoughts, etc.

    @Mint So do you think prejudices are a flaw within the self?
    I think mine specifically was a nurture issue. My mom grew up in the 70's and went to a predominately black school as well, but things aren't the same as they are now. She had bad experiences and educated and told me about them, and that's just the way it was. I had to have my own experiences to change my opinion. Now I just look back and think it's funny how ignorant and misinformed I was.
    Okay, so like Lorn said, the experiences/surroundings give birth to prejudiced people.
    & Yes, Lorrie, this is in the Elizabethan times, so everyone is very prejudiced

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mint View Post
    @J_L_K_64

    So basically, like, the people who dont act on it/lie to themselves are more 'good' than someone who acts on it, right?
    (I mean...well, yeah- at this point though, I think I'm just coming up with more rhetorical/obvious questions as I feel that some part of this is common sense lol)
    Personally I respect someone more who is a closet-racist than a public racist. I don't know if that makes them a better person or not.

    I feel like when someone is publicly racist they are expressing their opinion. And when someone expresses their opinion to me, I generally feel the need to express my opinion. And since I am pretty passionate, it gets heated fairly quickly. -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mint View Post
    @J_L_K_64

    So basically, like, the people who dont act on it/lie to themselves are more 'good' than someone who acts on it, right?
    (I mean...well, yeah- at this point though, I think I'm just coming up with more rhetorical/obvious questions as I feel that some part of this is common sense lol)
    "good" and "bad" are just words, "right" "wrong" words, just words, the way i see things is how you affect the people around you, physically and emotionally

    personally, i like it when people are not racist, but that's never gunna realistically happen, everyone is different and have their own points of view/morals so i don't hope for a whole hell of a lot anymore

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