Sci_Girl (09-27-2015)
Actually (and maybe this is embarrassing then?) I'm a junior/senior; graduating a year early to hop into graduate school... My university is not a faith-based university; it was at one time long ago I believe, but hasn't been for quite some time. We are a smaller school though, so I don't have access to a lot of those courses. I have taken a mandatory evolution course, though. Aside from that I'm human biology so I don't think many of those courses are directly applicable to my degree. ;n;Originally Posted by Sci_Girl
it certainly does get frustrating. Dealing with 20 credits, of which more than half are writing intensive. A lot of busy work. I barely have time to go to the damn bathroom, I swear. I will definitely keep you in mind, though I don't know what your background is in neuroscience and physiology. Genetics might be an interesting one to dive into haha.
Anyways, again, everything above was a quick synopses I used from that website. I'd have to dive into my notes from back in HS to argue everything; I'm sure I'd have to add in some research too (of which I do not have time to do right now haha). Serves me right, really. I shouldn't be throwing shit out there without the proper base to back things up. I honestly have more experience in the evidence surrounding evolution (though I choose to believe otherwise). My background on creationism is obviously faith, but also here-say (again, serves me right). Like the cross galaxy, here-say. My physics professor mentioned it to us a few years back. I can't remember the full conversation or anything, but I do recall it being rather convincing.
Anywho, yes, I have learned my lesson. I'm sure I'll be back by winter break with research to back me up.
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Sci_Girl (09-27-2015)
Remember from your studies and writing papers, blogs mean nothing. Personal opinion pieces formatted into a website mean nothing. The worst on this type of subject is getting someone who uses a God blog as their "evidence". I made that mistake with my first paper in Uni lol...always use reputable sources and avoid contractions in writing lol. Two things I will always keep with me from my study rigors.
It's cool if you believe in Creationism and all, it is just that if someone says why then there needs to be some real good evidence. Especially if you are already a science major, you should be able to whip it up into something with validity because you already dabble into reading confusing papers.
I have taken both. Neuroscience more so with biopsychology, human neuropsychology, neurobiology and so on type stuff. Not sure what Human Biology is, never took a course in that.though I don't know what your background is in neuroscience or physiology.
cloudxcrash (10-05-2015)
not sure if this thread is dead or not, haven't been on here for a while, and sorry if this has already been brought up. but i'm curious how creationists explain viruses developing immunity to new medicine?
God's plan all along? Maybe?
Not just viruses. More pertinent to daily life is the bacterial immunity. Same question applies.
Honestly the fact of evolution doesn't make much sense to me as there is not any other species as I have researched have previous evolutions of them still alive (monkeys to humans and shit like that) but I also do not believe in a certain God.
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As an ex-christian: micro vs. macro-evolution is the answer they would jump to. "The hepatitis C virus has no vaccine because it is changing faster than we can make a vaccine for it. However, these are small changes and no matter what happens, the virus would always be hepatitis C. Macro-evolution is making the assertion that the hepatitis C virus has the capacity to mutate into the influenza virus, HIV, or anything that isn't hepatitis C."
It comes from the premise that the genes contain everything that it can be and phenotypes are determined only by which genes are turned on or off. Nothing can be added or removed, like a house with a lot of rooms. You can flick the light switches on and off but you can't add any more rooms or bulbs.
I have a strong feeling that people that believe in creationism are just people that don't understand evolution well enough.
littlespacecase (10-18-2015)
If you are looking for the "missing link" still alive it will not happen. The changes in evolution are not abrupt they are not concrete. Instead they are very small very gradual over millions of years. You will not find a living specimen to say "here is animal X now watch as it turns into animal Y to show the evolutionary connection". Fossil records hold the answers you seek for those gradual changes. Very very gradual. A lot of people expect it to be like X to Y in one generation like in a movie or something lol. The timescale is so vast that people cannot comprehend how many changes happen in that span. I even have a hard time grasping it. We live for what 100 years hopefully? We think that is a long time and those people get stuck on this. This is talking billions of years l, with a B. That is a lot of available time to have change occur...the change that is evolution of species.
Humans didn't come from monkeys, they came from similar ancestry. Here's a basic evolutionary timeline or w/e you wanna call it:
Anyway, evolution is something that happens over a very, very long period of time, of which humans can't comprehend or "see", like what @(you need an account to see links) said, so I can def. see where you're coming from, it's a difficult concept to grasp and "believe" because most if not all the evidence you see are things of the past such as fossils, DNA studies, comparative anatomy etc. etc. but obiovulsy with advancing technology, more evidence can be found to back up evolution. But to me there is already a tonne of evidence to back up evolution.
As for an example of species of animal that undergoe evolution, you should check out peppered moths. Too lazy to check more legitimate resources but (you need an account to see links)
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littlespacecase (10-18-2015)
Quite the contrary, many animals have their own social taboos. Chimpanzees are known to have sex in private, meaning that they hold one another accountable for being discrete. They have a conscience for taboos that are relevant to their own communities.
We aren't really related to Orcas, but Orcas can even have different cultural taboos depending on which pod you're looking at. Indicating that Orcas have distinct tribal cultures. Animals in the wild often do deal with complex moral dilemmas which they must consider, such as when a cheetah must decide if it wants to adopt an orphaned lion cub etc. Just because these animals don't process information or communicate the same way that we do does not make them inferior, and to suggest that it does is just short sighted and self centered.
There are in fact, many parts of organs which don't work perfectly. There are organs that we no longer need, such as the appendix and tonsils. If you X-ray a whale, you can see that at one point in their evolution they had legs...which they clearly don't need now. If we as mere humans can make wolves look like pomeranians in a few thousand years...it's easy to imagine what millions of years of natural selection could do.
Agreed!
Really comes to common sense because monkeys(all types) would be still evolving into us if we where even related. Sure we're close in DNA but connection I think stops there but you never know what will happen between now and million years maybe monkey evolve to the point of "higher" intelligence or we make them smart through science!! Scary. I would like to know how old monkeys are to humans though, maybe they're another 50m years away from reaching our intelligence *shrug* i kinder think we will probably destroy ourself long before we will know that one lol. War hungry humans lol
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