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Thread: Food Stamp Debate :S

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    Arrow Food Stamp Debate :S


    1. Do you think that people who are receiving food stamp should be required to go through drug screening process (Drug Test)?
    2. Should any of the following rules/regulations regarding the food stamp program by the state's social service be change?
    3. Should there be a "length" of period in which the person are allow to receive these benefits (State the period in which the person should be on food stamp and explain why you believe this is an appropriate length of time)"
    4. Is there any else that you would like to contribute (For example: corruption within the food stamp system that can be improved, limit the items that can be bought with food stamp, etc)


    Eligibility for SNAP (food stamps) benefits is usually based on gross and net income (for families with at least one elderly or disabled member, just net income).

    Gross income limits are established by the federal government and adjusted annually. Current gross income limits are available by clicking here. Gross income is total income minus verified legally obligated child support paid.

    A family may have liquid resources (cash, checking accounts, stocks, bonds, etc.) of up to $2,000. With one or more family members who are disabled or age 60 or over, the resource limit is $3,250.

    Benefit Determination

    If eligible, the amount of benefits received is determined by household size and adjusted gross income after these deductions:

    a standard deduction.
    a 20 percent earned income deduction.
    a deduction for dependent care.
    a limited deduction for medical expenses for elderly or individuals who are disabled.
    a limited deduction for excess shelter care expenses.

    The program requires mandatory recipients to participate in any one or a combination of the following activities as a condition of their SNAP eligibility:

    Secondary Education
    Job Search / Job Club / Job Readiness
    Community Service
    On-the-Job Training
    Employment
    Mandatory participants include:
    18 to 59 years old; and
    Not in school; and
    Working less than the equivalent of 30 hours per week at federal minimum wage; and
    Not receiving unemployment insurance or SSI; and
    Able-bodied; and
    Not the parent/caretaker of a child under age six.
    Exempt participants include:

    Any child under age 18 (unless applicant and not in school); or
    Any adult 60 or older; or
    Any parent/caretaker of child under age six; or
    Any unemployment insurance applicant or recipient
    Any person working more than the equivalent of 30 hours per week at federal minimum wage; or
    Any caretaker of an incapacitated person in their home; or
    Any person with a health issue that affects their ability to participate; or
    Any pregnant woman in her fourth or later month of pregnancy.
    Report all Changes Affecting Eligibility

    All SNAP recipients must report anytime their monthly gross income is over the maximum allowed for their household size. Income maximums can be found on notices or by calling your Benefits Specialist. The income must be reported by the 10th day of the month, following the month the income exceeds the maximum.

    All SNAP recipients are also required to complete a recertification (review) process once every 12 months. Most SNAP recipients will fill out a report form in the 6th month of their recertification period. Recertification and report forms will be mailed to recipients.

    Recipients are not required to report any other changes, but they may choose to report changes such as:

    the addition of a household member and their income.
    increase in expenses, such as shelter costs, daycare costs, etc.
    income stops or decreases.
    Here is some of the eligbility requirement that I quoted from the South Dakota Department of Social Service. http://dss.sd.gov/foodstamps/eligibility/
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    I think the uk should do them to be honest, so many out of work parents use the kids money to drink or smoke.

    Im out of work due to ill health which wont ever improve so ill always be out of work, but before anyone judges me, i used to worlk 3 jobs at one time, and ive worked constantly from aged 15 to 5 yrs ago when i got too ill. All the income i get from our government goes on feeding my kids, but so many here dont use it for that

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    1. Do you think that people who are receiving food stamp should be required to go through drug screening process (Drug Test)?

    As a working person not receiving benefits, I have to take a drug test annually to work at my job. That's right, I have to take a drug test to actually work and earn a living wage. It is my opinion, if I have to take a drug test to work at a company that provides me income that the government taxes to help provide a base of funds for these type of programs, then yes, they should be drug tested to receive them.

    2. Should any of the following rules/regulations regarding the food stamp program by the state's social service be change?

    Unless the person receiving benefits is disabled, taking care of a disabled person that makes them ineligible to work a reasonable amount of hours, or is over a specific debt-to-income ratio, there should be no 'recertification.' Meaning specifically, that there should be a maximum benefit amount and a maximum term one could receive benefits.

    3. Should there be a "length" of period in which the person are allow to receive these benefits (State the period in which the person should be on food stamp and explain why you believe this is an appropriate length of time)"

    Yes, as stated above, that is something I would enact. I think 12 months is more than reasonable amount of time for any person to receive benefits unless that person is disabled, taking care of a disabled person that makes them ineligible to work a reasonable amount of hours, or is over a specific debt-to-income ratio.

    4. Is there any else that you would like to contribute (For example: corruption within the food stamp system that can be improved, limit the items that can be bought with food stamp, etc)

    In my opinion there is not currently a way to fix a lot of the abuse of the system simply because there is so many companies and trade labors that pay cash under the table and people are not held accountable to explain this unreported income.

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    Personal experience: I worked at a gas station as an assistant manager for about a year and one day there was a young couple in their mid twenties that came in with three kids and bought about $45 dollars worth of food stamp items. When they came to pay, I took it with no discrimination, entered in the card number (the strip on Iowa's cards frequently wear off and you have to do them manually) and rang it all up. I bagged their goods and the transaction was completed. Then the man asked me for four blunt wraps, a carton of marlboro reds, and his wife came up with two cases of beer. He proceeds to pay with twenties that came from a money clip that I'd say altogether was about $750-800.

    Just saying, there is abuse out there and when I see it, it pisses me off.

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    Food Stamp Debate :S

    Agree with everything @Federation said. I get drug tested "randomly" and I haven't missed a single month yet. Every month for almost a year, I get a piss test and that's just for my 2-days of national guard drilling. My full time job is another round of tests.

    I'm getting the literal shit taxed out if me for federal taxes and state taxes to pay for these programs.

    I worked in a grocery store to get through college. When I saw my "regulars" I knew we're making bank and getting paid under the table, I would always find ways to call them out at the register hoping they'd feel some sort of shame for abusing the system. They didn't. It's sick.

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    "As a working person not receiving benefits, I have to take a drug test annually to work at my job. That's right, I have to take a drug test to actually work and earn a living wage. It is my opinion, if I have to take a drug test to work at a company that provides me income that the government taxes to help provide a base of funds for these type of programs, then yes, they should be drug tested to receive them."


    Huge difference between being drug tested as part of your job and being drug tested because it's under the assumption that since you are on welfare you do drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmurd View Post
    "As a working person not receiving benefits, I have to take a drug test annually to work at my job. That's right, I have to take a drug test to actually work and earn a living wage. It is my opinion, if I have to take a drug test to work at a company that provides me income that the government taxes to help provide a base of funds for these type of programs, then yes, they should be drug tested to receive them."


    Huge difference between being drug tested as part of your job and being drug tested because it's under the assumption that since you are on welfare you do drugs.
    I'm more of an equal opportunity let's see who's breaking the law kind of guy. Besides of which, I do not assume anyone who is on welfare is on drugs, nor do I support the full dissolution of welfare. It serves a valid and noble purpose, however there are plenty of people abusing it. The abuse threatens its existence for those who are using it for its true intent.

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    it doesn't serve a valid and noble purpose at all, it's a skewed version of altruism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zmurd View Post
    it doesn't serve a valid and noble purpose at all, it's a skewed version of altruism.
    You're right. Let's just let families that cannot support themselves due to random hardships starve. Screw them.

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    Let's keep the potential for arguing to a minimum here guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Federation View Post
    You're right. Let's just let families that cannot support themselves due to random hardships starve. Screw them.
    Agree 100% there are organizations dedicated to helping people truly in need.. as it is now a majority of people receiving these kinds of benefits are just abusing the system imo anyways... we don't have food stamps in canada as far as I know but we do have a food bank that you can go to if you're really starving and need food, much simpler and better idea since you don't get an allocated amount of "stamps" to spend on feeding your family every month you just go and get food when you need it and cant afford to buy it

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