Reply With Quotegoldentryst (09-07-2012)
Military efficiency and success is largely due to troop cohesion, morale, camaraderie ... it's not that the straight soldiers believe that the gay soldiers wouldn't save them in the heat of battle, it's just a lot of them don't feel the same bond they have with someone who is openly gay as they do with fellow straight soldiers, for at least the fact that they share common sexuality (and talk about beautiful women/girlfriend/wife). On top of that, of course, there are lots of homophobes in the army as there is everywhere. Letting gays be open in the army can put them in real danger as a result. DADT isn't as homophobic as it is practical, I believe.Originally Posted by RPGamer
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@(you need an account to see links) why don't men and women share a public shower if it's just a shower? It isn't an orgy but people are naked.
goldentryst (09-07-2012)
Because there are many more men than women who cannot control themselves, putting the women in danger. Female sex offenders total less than 6% of the sex offender population ((you need an account to see links)). Not surprisingly, a majority of sexual assault cases involving LGBT people involve a STRAIGHT person assaulting the GAY person ((you need an account to see links)).
So let's not make the gay people out to be the ones unable to control themselves.
badalfy07 (01-16-2013)
@(you need an account to see links) I didn't say gays cannot control themselves (or base any of my argument from the gay point of view). I said that there is likely a significant number of straight male soldiers uncomfortable being in that situation, much like a female would be uncomfortable naked 2 meters from a potentially horny straight male. The fact that most sex offenders are male doesn't refute my argument based on an all-male shower. As well, the claim that most sexual assault causes are by a straight person assaulting a gay person does not refute the merit of DADT in protecting gays.
You can say all day that there's a lot of homophobes and they're all morons and assholes, but the more that is true (in the army), the more DADT is needed.
goldentryst (09-07-2012)
Your point is contradicting.. Why should females and males be separated? because you don't feel comfortable with penises? from that point of view the OP has a point and a very good one then, why isn't it wrong for a straight/gay guy to shower with a gay/straight guy? what if he has bad experience with a gay/straight man?
Btw I'd feel most comfortable having shower with a bunch of boobs then penises XD.
In my opinion if gays are so happy to join the army then gay and straights should be separated, their quarters, showers EVERYTHING, and Rape does happen a lot especially in the army I just recently read :
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Judging from that I'm definitely sure gay soldiers would be raped by bisexuals who I'm sure are a lot in numbers in the army then gays, and straight guys mostly likely getting raped by gay soldiers/bisexuals...
as for according the topic point.. I agree but my opinion is gays and straights should be separate.
Then bisexuals have to live in solitary confinement because they can pounce on anyone.
There are differences physically and emotional differences between men and women. Furthermore the number of gay men in a unit would be few so the chances of something 'sexual' happening would be much smaller than if men and women were to share the same living areas.
Furthermore - the point I made is "And I'm sorry, accusations of sexual harassment/rape? If you aren't responsible enough to control your sexual urges you shouldn't be in the army >.>"
following onto that - If you have a previous history of being raped by a man (as a man) and you are still psychologically traumatized from that then the army (a occupation dominated by men) isn't something for you ;/ Its like signing up for the army but you are uncomfortable around guns because you were shot in the leg - you aren't psychologically prepared.\
Finally - (you need an account to see links) - women are raped in the army regardless of not sharing living areas.
Last edited by Chi; 10-07-2012 at 12:07 AM.
True and that is why men and women are separated but gays or homosexuals also have to be separated this way because their behavior and identity (super-masculine or feminine or a mix of both) is different then average straight guy, that leads to them to either get bullied/harassed by straight community or them raping/harassing the straight community, Point is they can engage in misconducts ranging from simple bullying, negative view to rape based on sexual identity and sexual based behavior, Identity and Behavior are two different things, identity is what you define yourself as a male or female while behavior is more based on sexual attraction depending on your identity,
I'm pretty sure the army does all the psychological profiling of who they enlist, it doesn't grantee there won't be any misconduct or rape now does it? in my link Panetta said over "19,000 alleged sexual assaults" in last year alone even when there is segregation among men and women.
As for bisexuals here is my opinion on the matter now I don't know what the army ask for when enlisting or if psychologists ask for sexuality but if someone does reports to be a bisexual I'd say its a Red Flag on that someone if that is there is a system for these things, however most bisexuals don't go about promoting themselves as bisexuals because their sexual identity is just what it is be it male or female(while most homosexuals have an sexual identity crisis), however their behavior towards other sexes is definitely gonna be attraction based, it depends if a bisexual is gonna rape or not be it male or female however Bisexual do exist a lot more in army and a lot more in prisons in my opinion and I believe bisexuality is also biological and psychological based reaction to confinement to a single sex community.. just as when in a group of female fish with no male, a fish becomes a male.. its sort of like that.. but I don't wanna elaborate it in this post.
anyhow the majority is straight no matter what field, and well from its point of view the society has a lot of stereotypes for gays, bisexual etc, minority always gets screwed
what the army should apply in the matter is Murphy's law, because if they send in a famine gay man in a pack of straight men his definitely is gonna get treated the same way a nerdy weak looking kid is treated in school by a bunch of bullies, and if they send in a Alpha male gay in the straight guy's pack his definitely is gonna be sexual harassing his buddies.
But straight community also does all the misconducts, I mean guys just generally harass everything that moves.
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Rape happens everywhere regardless of all environment blame human nature.
Last edited by redfeeniks; 10-07-2012 at 03:35 AM.
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